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their chances of success in the interview, not to mention that prior success on the two
examinations was likely to make a good impression on the interviewers.
[204] The experts agreed on the importance of the interviewers’ competence,
especially since the interviewers had to make a subjective judgment about the
candidates.215 During the years at issue, Sylvie Richard conducted interviews and took
notes. Jean-Pierre Raymond assisted her, unless he was on vacation.216 First, Ms.
Richard started out as a secretary who was promoted within the company and became
a staffing officer and finally a staffing advisor, but without completing her human
resources certificate.217 In that training, only a few days were devoted to selection
interviews.218 As for Mr. Raymond, who saw to the development of the position of
network operator over the years, he was very familiar with the job and [TRANSLATION]
“had it in mind” in the interviews, according to Normand Pettersen.219 Mr. Raymond took
only one staffing course when he studied for his management and marketing
certificate.220
[205] However, not only was Mr. Raymond not present for some interviews,221 but
when he was, his role was rather passive. He limited himself to explaining the position
of network operator and responding to more technical questions, if there were any.222 In
addition, an agency conducted some interviews by phone.223 In that regard, expert
Pettersen stressed the importance of always having the same evaluators conduct the
interviews.224
[206] In Ms. Richard’s opinion, the purpose of the pre-interview was to give women an
opportunity to demonstrate their relevant non-traditional experience.225 She also wrote
to expert Pettersen that the interview was aimed at ascertaining the candidate’s
capacity to advance in the job.226 But according to Mr. Raymond, the interview was in
keeping with Gaz Métro’s desire to have a new pool of candidacies by women.227
Hence, it seems that the objective underlying the interview was not clarified and the two
interviewers had a very different understanding of it: on the one hand, to get to know the
[TRANSLATION] “clientele”; on the other, to enable women to demonstrate their
215 See in particular François Boulard, stenographic notes, June 19, 2006 at 176-178.
216 Sylvie Richard, stenographic notes, February 9, 2006 at 68; Jean-Pierre Raymond, stenographic
notes, January 26, 2006 at 227; Jean-Pierre Raymond, stenographic notes, January 27, 2006 at 42.
217 Sylvie Richard, February 17, 2006 at 189-190.
218 Sylvie Richard, February 17, 2006 at 189-190.
219 Normand Pettersen, stenographic notes, September 13, 2006 at 107.
220 Jean-Pierre Raymond, stenographic notes, January 27, 2006 at 169.
221 For example, he was absent from Shirley Thomas’s interview. See Jean-Pierre Raymond,
stenographic notes, January 27, 2006 at 151.
222 Jean-Pierre Raymond, stenographic notes, January 27, 2006 at 42.
223 That was particularly the case with Danielle Varin, who was a candidate for the position of network
operator in 1996. See Danielle Varin, stenographic notes, February 8, 2005 at 8-9.
224 Normand Pettersen, stenographic notes, September 13, 2006 at 196.
225 Sylvie Richard, stenographic notes, February 17, 2006 at 74 et seq.
226 A-23 in a bundle, point 7b).
227 Jean-Pierre Raymond, stenographic notes, January 27, 2006 at 151-152.