Ahousaht Indian Band and Nation v. Canada (Attorney General)
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know, what knowledge did you acquire about the level of participation
in commercial fisheries?
A:
When I started working with the Nuu-chah-nulth Tribal Council in ‘92,
there were -- my recollection, you know, 70 or 80 Nuu-chah-nulth
fishermen. And this would be skippers of boats, not deckhands or
that. But 70 or 80 people that were involved with commercial fishing.
To at least earn part of their livelihood. Some of that would be full-
time part of their livelihood. Others it would be a good portion of it. If I
could use that term. In other words, active commercial fishermen,
there were 70 or 80 that were running boats and skippers boats.
Q:
A:
And how -- what number would you -- in your experience exist today
similar question. I mean, people running their own boats, how can
you compare the 70 or 80 to today?
In that I’ve worked there almost 16 years. It will be 16 years this July.
So in that period of time my observation has been a decline of Nuu-
chah-nulth participation. Now to the point where I can, you know,
name or count off about 18 or 20 or so Nuu-chah-nulth fishermen that
I can, you know, say that are at least, you know, part time involved in
fishermen. Of that group -- of that group, I can only think of three that
are in my observation, you know, full-time fishermen that are, you
know, to describe it generally, making a go, making a living at
commercial fishing. And that would be Chuck McCarthy from
Ucluelet, Vic Amos from Hesquiaht and Vic’s nephew Terry Amos
from -- also from Hesquiaht. So those -- those three are the guys that
are -- the men that are, you know, active. Active Nuu-chah-nulth
commercial fishermen. And the other set, you know, of 16 or 17 or --
would be, you know, guys that are still trying, you know, may fish
salmon. May fish herring. You know, one guy Calvin Clark fishes
crab. So there, that is that other set of people that -- I don’t think
they’re making a living at commercial fishing any more, but they are
still trying and still participating.
Q:
A:
And so has it been part of your role at the NTC to address this
declining number of fishermen?
Oh, absolutely. It is a stated objective of Uu-a-thluk and the Council
of Haw’iih to increase the economic access for Nuu-chah-nulth. And
that is in the existing commercial fisheries, in new economic fisheries
in the -- you know, maintaining the types of pilot sales fisheries that
we talked about before.
So, sure, we tried every which way we can to maintain, hold on to
what Nuu-chah-nulth have, and certainly try to, you know, grow that in
every opportunity and way that we can think of. That I can think of
and that my staff can think of.
Q:
A:
You say opportunity you can think of. Are you limiting yourself to the
license and quota structure currently in place through DFO?
No. We are -- sorry. Uu-a-thluk staff and myself are always looking
for, you know, any opportunity. It does not just -- it is not -- there are