Canadian Human  
Rights Tribunal  
Tribunal canadien  
des droits de la personne  
Citation: 2021 CHRT 41  
Date: November 16, 2021  
File No.: T1340/7008  
Between:  
First Nations Child and Family Caring Society of Canada  
- and -  
Assembly of First Nations  
Complainants  
Commission  
- and -  
Canadian Human Rights Commission  
- and -  
Attorney General of Canada  
(Representing the Minister of Indigenous and Northern Affairs Canada)  
Respondent  
- and -  
Chiefs of Ontario  
- and -  
Amnesty International  
- and -  
Nishnawbe Aski Nation  
Interested parties  
Ruling  
Member:  
Sophie Marchildon  
Edward P. Lustig  
Table of Contents  
Major Capital and Small Agencies Reimbursement Motion.................................................1  
I.  
General Context........................................................................................................1  
A. The Tribunal’s Approach................................................................................3  
II.  
Major Capital Context..............................................................................................20  
Major Capital Party Submissions............................................................................23  
III.  
A.  
B.  
C.  
D.  
E.  
F.  
The Caring Society ......................................................................................23  
The Chiefs of Ontario...................................................................................26  
Assembly of First Nations ............................................................................26  
Nishnawbe Aski Nation................................................................................27  
Commission.................................................................................................27  
Canada ........................................................................................................29  
IV.  
V.  
Major Capital Analysis.............................................................................................34  
A.  
B.  
C.  
Prior Major Capital Analysis.........................................................................34  
FNCFS Major Capital Analysis ....................................................................52  
Capital to Support the Implementation of Jordan’s Principle Analysis.........94  
Supplementary Financial Administration Act Party Submissions..........................108  
A.  
B.  
C.  
D.  
E.  
F.  
The Caring Society ....................................................................................108  
The Chiefs of Ontario.................................................................................110  
Assembly of First Nations ..........................................................................110  
Nishnawbe Aski Nation..............................................................................111  
Commission...............................................................................................111  
Canada ......................................................................................................113  
VI.  
Financial Administration Act Analysis ...................................................................115  
Reallocation Party Submissions ...........................................................................126  
VII.  
A.  
B.  
The Caring Society ....................................................................................126  
Canada ......................................................................................................127  
VIII. Reallocation Analysis............................................................................................128  
IX.  
Capital for Band Representative Services and Prevention Services in  
Ontario Party Submissions....................................................................................130  
ii  
A.  
B.  
C.  
The Chiefs of Ontario.................................................................................130  
Nishnawbe Aski Nation..............................................................................132  
Canada ......................................................................................................134  
X.  
Capital for Band Representative Services and Prevention Services in  
Ontario Analysis....................................................................................................136  
XI.  
Small Agency Reimbursement Context................................................................153  
Small Agency Reimbursement Party Submissions...............................................156  
XII.  
A.  
B.  
C.  
D.  
E.  
F.  
The Caring Society ....................................................................................156  
Commission...............................................................................................158  
Assembly of First Nations ..........................................................................159  
The Chiefs of Ontario.................................................................................159  
Nishnawbe Aski Nation..............................................................................159  
Canada ......................................................................................................159  
XIII. Small Agencies Analysis.......................................................................................161  
XIV. Proposal to Parties and Retention of Jurisdiction .................................................164  
XV. Order.....................................................................................................................165  
Acknowledgement  
The Tribunal is releasing this ruling in painful times in Canada were over a thousand  
unmarked graves of First Nations children who attended residential schools have been  
discovered and more continue to be discovered. Long before the heart wrenching discovery  
in Kamloops, the Truth and Reconciliation Commission called upon the Canadian  
government to provide funding to locate the children who died in residential schools. This  
call to action was published in 2015.  
Many of the children who attended residential schools were forcibly removed from their  
homes, families and communities. The Tribunal heard evidence on residential schools and  
made numerous findings in that regard in 2016. It found there was a transformation of  
Residential Schools into an aspect of the child welfare system. The primary role of many  
Residential Schools changed from a focus on “education” to a focus on “child welfare”.  
Despite this, many children were not sent home, because their parents were assessed as  
not being able to assume responsibility for the care of their children. The Tribunal found that  
Indian Residential Schools are one example of a collective trauma that is part of a larger  
traumatic history that Indigenous Peoples have already been exposed to. The history of  
Residential Schools and the intergenerational trauma they have caused is another reason -  
on top of some of the other underlying risk factors affecting Indigenous children and families  
such as poverty and poor infrastructure - that exemplifies the heightened need of First  
Nations People to receive adequate child and family services, including least disruptive  
measures and, especially, services that are culturally appropriate. The Tribunal found the  
evidence in this case not only indicates various adverse effects on First Nations children  
and families by the application of AANDC’s FNCFS Program, corresponding funding  
formulas and other related provincial/territorial agreements, but also that these adverse  
effects perpetuate historical disadvantages suffered by Aboriginal peoples, mainly as a  
result of the Residential Schools system.  
The Tribunal found there are approximately three times as many First Nations children in  
state care as there were at the height of Residential Schools.  
The Panel recognizes the incommensurable pain of families, communities and Nations and  
honors their courage on their healing journey and quest for justice. It is time for a true  
paradigm shift in Canada so that we do not repeat history.  
The mass removal of children from their homes, families, communities and Nations found in  
this case must stop now.  
The helpline for residential school survivors can be reached at: 1-866-925-4419.  
* While the Panel recognizes this broader context of the suffering Indigenous Peoples  
experience in Canada, the Panel can only address the legal dispute before it.  
Major Capital and Small Agencies Reimbursement Motion  
General Context  
I.  
[1]  
This ruling addresses a number of related motions brought in the context of the  
Tribunal’s retained jurisdiction of the implementation of remedies in a complaint brought by  
the First Nations Child and Family Caring Society of Canada (the Caring Society) and the  
Assembly of First Nations (the AFN) against Canada on behalf of First Nations children and  
families. The first motion relates to Major Capital funding to support service delivery to First  
Nations children. The second relates to the scope of reimbursement for small First Nation  
Family and Child Services Agencies (FNCFS Agencies). Another issue addressed in this  
ruling is an Ontario-specific request for Capital funding for Band representatives and  
prevention services.  
[2]  
The Tribunal found in First Nations Child and Family Caring Society of Canada et al.  
v. Attorney General of Canada (for the Minister of Indian and Northern Affairs Canada), 2016  
CHRT 2 [the Merit Decision] that Canada engaged in discriminatory practices contrary to  
the Canadian Human Rights Act, RSC 1985, c H-6 (the CHRA) in its provision of services  
to First Nations children and families. In particular, the Tribunal found that the management  
and funding of the First Nation Child and Family Services Program (FNCFS Program)  
resulted in systemic racial discrimination and resulted in denials of services and created  
various adverse impacts for many First Nations children and families living on reserves”  
(para. 458). The assumptions in the funding formulas resulted “in inadequate fixed funding  
for operation (capital costs, multiple offices, cost of living adjustment, staff salaries and  
benefits, training, legal, remoteness and travel) and prevention costs (primary, secondary  
and tertiary services to maintain children safely in their family homes)” (para. 458, emphasis  
added). In other words, the systemic racial discrimination resulted in the mass removal of  
First Nations children from their homes, communities and Nations.  
[3]  
The Panel also found Canada’s definition and implementation of Jordan’s Principle  
to be narrow and inadequate, resulting in service gaps, delays and denials for First Nations  
children.  
   
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[4]  
The Tribunal has issued a number of subsequent rulings providing direction and  
guidance to establish substantive equality remedies to not only eliminate the discrimination  
already experienced by First Nations children but also to ensure that similar discriminatory  
practices do not occur in the future. The specific decisions that relate to each of the requests  
for remedies are discussed in the relevant sections. The Tribunal has retained jurisdiction  
over the determination of appropriate remedies to ensure, in particular, that the ultimate  
long-term remedies will be effective at eliminating the discrimination found and in preventing  
similar discrimination in the future.  
[5]  
In an effort to promote reconciliation and recognizing the grassroot knowledge and  
expertise of First Nations, the Tribunal encouraged the parties to resolve as many of the  
remedial issues as possible through consultation. The parties have done so through the  
Collaborative Committee on Child Welfare (CCCW) and have been effective at resolving a  
number of issues. Some of the issues in this ruling arise from discussions that occurred at  
the CCCW but on which the parties were unable to reach an agreement.  
[6]  
In light of the parties’ reference to the Financial Administration Act, RSC 1985, c F-  
11 in their submissions on funding of Major Capital to provide the infrastructure to support  
service delivery to First Nations children, the Panel requested further argument on the role  
of Canada’s financial legislation and policies. The parties’ further submissions addressed  
the role of the Financial Administration Act in general and beyond the confines of the Major  
Capital issue. The Panel has also addressed the outstanding dispute between the parties  
on reallocation of budgeted funds as that also relates to the Financial Administration Act  
issue.  
[7]  
The Panel also requested the parties to confirm which submissions they were relying  
on to address the outstanding issues in this motion, which the parties did through  
correspondence dated September 1, 2020.  
[8]  
In the interest of supporting the parties in moving forward with their discussions and  
negotiations, the Panel issued its ruling in a brief letter-decision dated August 26, 2021 with  
reasons to follow. This decision provides the Panel’s reasons in support of its orders.  
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A.  
The Tribunal’s Approach  
The Panel reviewed the scope of the CHRA remedies and the purpose of the  
[9]  
legislation in earlier decisions. The Panel continues to rely on the approach it set out in these  
previous decisions. This section summarizes some of the salient points from those  
decisions.  
[10] Throughout those decisions, the Panel consistently cited sections 2, 53(2) and 53(3)  
of the CHRA. Those provisions are as follows:  
Purpose  
2 The purpose of this Act is to extend the laws in Canada to give effect, within  
the purview of matters coming within the legislative authority of Parliament, to  
the principle that all individuals should have an opportunity equal with other  
individuals to make for themselves the lives that they are able and wish to  
have and to have their needs accommodated, consistent with their duties and  
obligations as members of society, without being hindered in or prevented  
from doing so by discriminatory practices based on race, national or ethnic  
origin, colour, religion, age, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity or  
expression, marital status, family status, genetic characteristics, disability or  
conviction for an offence for which a pardon has been granted or in respect of  
which a record suspension has been ordered.  
Complaint substantiated  
53 (2) If at the conclusion of the inquiry the member or panel finds that the  
complaint is substantiated, the member or panel may, subject to section 54,  
make an order against the person found to be engaging or to have engaged  
in the discriminatory practice and include in the order any of the following  
terms that the member or panel considers appropriate:  
(a) that the person cease the discriminatory practice and take  
measures, in consultation with the Commission on the general  
purposes of the measures, to redress the practice or to prevent the  
same or a similar practice from occurring in future, including  
(i) the adoption of a special program, plan or arrangement  
referred to in subsection 16(1), or  
(ii) making an application for approval and implementing a plan  
under section 17;  
 
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(b) that the person make available to the victim of the discriminatory  
practice, on the first reasonable occasion, the rights, opportunities or  
privileges that are being or were denied the victim as a result of the  
practice;  
(c) that the person compensate the victim for any or all of the wages  
that the victim was deprived of and for any expenses incurred by the  
victim as a result of the discriminatory practice;  
(d) that the person compensate the victim for any or all additional costs  
of obtaining alternative goods, services, facilities or accommodation  
and for any expenses incurred by the victim as a result of the  
discriminatory practice; and  
(e) that the person compensate the victim, by an amount not exceeding  
twenty thousand dollars, for any pain and suffering that the victim  
experienced as a result of the discriminatory practice.  
Special compensation  
53 (3) In addition to any order under subsection (2), the member or panel may  
order the person to pay such compensation not exceeding twenty thousand  
dollars to the victim as the member or panel may determine if the member or  
panel finds that the person is engaging or has engaged in the discriminatory  
practice wilfully or recklessly.  
[11] In addition, the Panel relied on subsection 16(1) which is referenced in section  
53(2)(a):  
Special programs  
16 (1) It is not a discriminatory practice for a person to adopt or carry out a  
special program, plan or arrangement designed to prevent disadvantages that  
are likely to be suffered by, or to eliminate or reduce disadvantages that are  
suffered by, any group of individuals when those disadvantages would be  
based on or related to the prohibited grounds of discrimination, by improving  
opportunities respecting goods, services, facilities, accommodation or  
employment in relation to that group.  
[12] The Panel considered the appropriate approach to interpreting the CHRA in 2015  
CHRT 14 in order to determine how to assess a retaliation issue (paras. 12-30). The Panel  
relied on the modern approach to statutory interpretation that “the words of an Act are to be  
read in their entire context, in their grammatical and ordinary sense harmoniously with the  
scheme of the Act, the object of the Act, and the intention of Parliament” (para. 12). Further,  
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it is incumbent on adjudicators to consider the special nature of human rights legislation in  
applying the CHRA, as noted in cases such as CN v. Canada (Canadian Human Rights  
Commission), 1987 109 (SCC), [1987] 1 SCR 1114 [Action Travail des femmes] and  
B. v. Ontario (Human Rights Commission), 2002 SCC 66. The Panel also elaborated on  
Robichaud v. Canada (Treasury Board), 1987 73 (SCC) and Ont. Human Rights  
Comm. v. Simpsons-Sears, 1985 18 (SCC), [1985] 2 SCR 536 [O’Malley] that the  
purpose of the CHRA is to eliminate discrimination and that it is not necessary that the  
behaviour intends to discriminate.  
[13] In the Merit Decision, the Panel determined that funding was a service (paras. 40-  
45). In reaching this conclusion, the Panel relied on both prior cases relating to funding and  
the quasi-constitutional nature of the CHRA that required that the statute “be interpreted in  
a broad, liberal, and purposive manner” appropriate to its special status (para. 43).  
[14] Similarly, in the Merit Decision, the Panel reviewed the objective of the CHRA to  
promote substantive equality (paras. 399-404). As stated in section 2 of the CHRA, “all  
individuals should have an opportunity equal with other individuals to make for  
themselves the lives that they are able and wish to have and to have their needs  
accommodated, consistent with their duties and obligations as members of society”  
(emphasis from Merit Decision at para. 399). Achieving substantive equality will often require  
making distinctions to ensure that disadvantaged groups can benefit equally from services  
offered to the general public. Assessing substantive equality requires consideration of the  
full social, political and legal context of the claim. For First Nations, that includes Canada’s  
colonial attitude and resulting stereotyping and prejudice. It also involves the specific  
example of the Indian Residential Schools System and the Sixties Scoop. The CHRA  
requires that Canada not perpetuate these historical harms and disadvantages through the  
provision of its services.  
[15] The Panel reviewed the Tribunal’s remedial powers (Merit Decision at paras. 474-  
490). The Panel reviewed sections 53(2)(a) and 53(2)(b) of the CHRA that collectively allow  
the Tribunal to order a respondent found to engage in a discriminatory practice to cease the  
discrimination, redress the discrimination so similar discrimination does not occur in the  
future, and provide to the victims the opportunities they were denied. The Panel recognized  
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that the requests for immediate relief were consistent with the purpose of the CHRA but also  
acknowledged the need for balance espoused by AANDC. Accordingly, the Panel ordered  
Canada to cease its discriminatory practices and reform the FNCFS Program and  
Memorandum of Agreement Respecting Welfare Programs for Indians [1965 Agreement]  
to reflect the findings in the Merit Decision and to immediately implement the full meaning  
and scope of Jordan’s Principle rather than apply its narrow definition. However, achieving  
substantive equality requires refocusing policy to respect human rights principles and  
appropriate social work practices. It requires more than funding reforms. The Panel  
recognized the complexity of an effective remedy in this case. Accordingly, the Panel  
indicated it would require further submissions to ensure its remedial orders were fair,  
practical, meaningful and effective.  
[16] The Panel retained jurisdiction after the Merit Decision until the outstanding remedial  
issues were addressed (paras. 493-494). The Panel continued in its subsequent rulings to  
retain jurisdiction until the remedial issues are resolved.  
[17] In 2016 CHRT 10, the Panel set out in more detail the various remedial issues (paras.  
1-5). The Panel identified that the remedial process involved determining compensation and  
implementing program reform in the immediate, medium and long-term.  
[18] The Panel reiterated the remedial principles of the CHRA that it would use to craft an  
effective and meaningful remedial order (2016 CHRT 10 at paras. 10-19). The quasi-  
constitutional nature of the CHRA required a broad, liberal and purposive reading. The  
remedial powers under section 53 of the CHRA must be interpreted to achieve the equality  
objective and purpose articulated as the purpose in section 2 of the CHRA. The purpose of  
an order is not to punish a person but to eliminate and prevent discrimination. The Tribunal  
must ensure its remedial orders effectively promote the rights protected under the CHRA  
and vindicate the losses suffered by victims of discrimination. In doing so, the Tribunal must  
take a principled and reasoned approach that considers the particular circumstances of the  
case and the evidence presented. Constructing an effective remedy in a complex case such  
as this one often demands innovation and flexibility. Section 53(2)(a) and (b) of the CHRA  
provide for this flexibility. Those provisions can override an organization’s right to manage  
its own affairs and can support a remedy of specific performance. They support provisions  
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educating individuals about human rights. Section 53(2)(a) is designed to address systemic  
discrimination which requires addressing discriminatory practices and attitudes which  
requires considering historical patterns of discrimination.  
[19] In retaining jurisdiction, the Panel cited Grover v. Canada (National Research  
Council), 1994 18487 (FC), 24 CHRR D/390 at paras. 32-33 for the proposition that  
retaining jurisdiction on complicated orders designed to address systemic discrimination  
ensures discrimination is effectively remedied.  
[20] In 2016 CHRT 16, the Panel noted that it is Indigenous Services Canada (ISC) and  
the federal government’s responsibility to implement the Tribunal’s orders and remedy the  
discrimination found in the case. ISC must also communicate its response to the other  
parties and the Tribunal so they can ensure the discrimination has been remedied (para. 9).  
The Panel also indicated that while it shared the desire to implement a remedy quickly, this  
is a complex matter and the Panel is committed to ensuring all parties have an opportunity  
to fully present their positions (para. 13).  
[21] In 2017 CHRT 14, the Panel considered the burden of proof on parties at the remedial  
stage (paras. 27-30). Section 53(2) of the CHRA requires the Tribunal to consider whether  
a remedy is appropriate if discrimination is established. To do so, the Tribunal must assess  
the evidence available to it but may request additional information and submissions from the  
parties if required. The process is focused on gathering the necessary information to craft  
effective orders. Accordingly, the question of the burden of proof is not material unless there  
is a gap in the evidentiary record.  
[22] Similarly, the Panel’s focus is not on making orders determining whether Canada has  
complied with previous orders (2017 CHRT 14 at para. 31). Instead, the focus of the retained  
jurisdiction is to ensure the Panel’s orders are effective and rectify the adverse effects of the  
discriminatory practices identified in the Merit Decision. Furthermore, the Panel’s objective  
is to ensure that Canada’s implementation of its orders is sufficiently responsive to the  
systemic discrimination detailed in the Tribunal’s findings. That process will take time and it  
is valuable to address as many issues as possible immediately while awaiting the evidence  
to support long-term reform.  
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[23] Furthermore, the Panel’s approach has been to provide guidelines to encourage the  
parties to work out between themselves the details of the remedy (2017 CHRT 14 at para.  
32).  
[24] The Panel set out why the unique circumstances of this case required Canada to  
consult with the other parties in the remedial stage (2017 CHRT 14 at paras. 113-120).  
Section 53(2)(a) sets out the authority to order consultation with the Commission. The Panel  
distinguished the current case from Canada (Attorney General) v. Johnstone, 2013 FC 113  
that found that ordering consultation with other parties was not appropriate. The other  
parties’ expertise in this case is invaluable. Furthermore, the Crown has a trust-like  
relationship with Indigenous peoples which requires Canada to act honourably in its dealings  
with First Nations and to treat them fairly. This relationship also manifests as a fiduciary  
relationship and in the duty to consult. Section 1.1 of An Act to amend the Canadian Human  
Rights Act, S.C. 2008, c. 30 confirms that the CHRA does not derogate from this  
relationship. In addition, the best interests of the child are central to this case. The other  
parties in this case include professionals with specific expertise in First Nations child and  
family services. These organizations have the knowledge to make recommendations to  
improve the cultural appropriateness of Canada’s response. Finally, consultation with First  
Nations is consistent with Canada’s stated remedial approach in this case.  
[25] In 2018 CHRT 4, the Panel already considered Canada’s arguments about how the  
separation of powers limited the Tribunal’s remedial jurisdiction under the CHRA. The Panel  
has already answered Canada’s argument and continues to rely on those findings (paras.  
21-83). Without repeating all those findings, it is helpful to reiterate that in making its orders  
the Tribunal does not seek to usurp the powers of other branches of government. It is  
operating under its quasi-constitutional Statute that permits it to address past discriminatory  
practices and prevent future ones from occurring. This is provided for in the Act under  
section 53 (2) (a).  
[26] Section 53(2)(a) of the CHRA gives this Tribunal the jurisdiction to make a cease-  
and-desist order. In addition, if the Tribunal considers it appropriate to prevent the same or  
a similar practice from occurring in the future, it may order certain measures including the  
adoption of a special program, plan or arrangement referred to in subsection 16(1) of the  
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CHRA (see National Capital Alliance on Race Relations (NCARR) v. Canada (Department  
of Health & Welfare) T.D.3/97, pp. 30-31). The scope of this jurisdiction was considered by  
the Supreme Court of Canada in CN v. Canada (Canadian Human Rights Commission),  
1987 109 (SCC), [1987] 1 SCR 1114, [Action Travail des Femmes]).  
[27] Consequently, any order made by the Tribunal, especially in systemic cases, has  
some level of impact on policy or spending of funds. To deny this power to the Tribunal by  
way of decisions from the executive would actually prevent the Tribunal from doing its duty  
under the Act which is quasi-constitutional in nature. Throughout its existence, the Tribunal  
has made orders on numerous occasions that affect spending of funds. Sometimes orders  
amounting to millions of dollars are made (see for example Public Service Alliance of  
Canada v. Canada Post Corporation, 2005 CHRT 39 at para.1023 affirmed by the Supreme  
Court of Canada, see Public Service Alliance of Canada v. Canada Post Corp., [2011] 3  
SCR 572, 2011 SCC 57).  
[28] In addition, specific remedies impacting policy are often made to remedy  
discrimination. This is particularly true of systemic cases. These remedies have been  
confirmed in National Capital Alliance on Race Relations (NCARR) v. Canada (Department  
of Health & Welfare), 1997 1433 (CHRT), 28 CHRR 179 and Action Travail des  
femmes. Moreover, remedial orders may impose positive obligations on a party. Further, the  
orders must flow from the Tribunal’s findings and must be responsive to those findings.  
[29] The Tribunal also discussed section 16 of the CHRA relating to the adoption of a  
special program, plan or arrangement and prevention of future discrimination by relying on  
National Capital Alliance on Race Relations v. Canada (Department of Health & Welfare),  
1997 1433 (CHRT) in 2018 CHRT 4 at para. 34:  
Section 53(2)(a) of the CHRA gives this Tribunal the jurisdiction to make a  
cease-and-desist order. In addition, if the Tribunal considers it appropriate to  
prevent the same or a similar practice from occurring in the future, it may order  
certain measures including the adoption of a special program, plan or  
arrangement referred to in subsection 16(1) of the CHRA (see National  
Capital Alliance on Race Relations (NCARR) v. Canada (Department of  
Health & Welfare) T.D.3/97, pp. 30-31). The scope of this jurisdiction was  
considered by the Supreme Court of Canada in CN v. Canada (Canadian  
Human Rights Commission), 1987 109 (SCC), [1987] 1 SCR 1114,  
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[Action Travail des Femmes]). In adopting the dissenting opinion of  
MacGuigan, J. in the Federal Court of Appeal, the Court stated that:  
...s. 41(2)(a), [now 53(2)(a)], was designed to allow human  
rights tribunals to prevent future discrimination against  
identifiable protected groups, but he held that "prevention" is  
a broad term and that it is often necessary to refer to  
historical patterns of discrimination, in order to design  
appropriate strategies for the future..... (at page 1141).  
(emphasis added)  
[30] The Panel rejected Canada’s argument that the separation of powers prevented the  
Tribunal from issuing orders affecting policy or public spending that would remedy the  
discrimination in this case. This is not a case where the Panel has made an order directing  
a specific amount of funding to prevent future discrimination. Exempting Canada from the  
remedial scope of the CHRA on the basis of the separation of powers is not consistent with  
the purpose of the CHRA and would reduce the Tribunal’s adjudicative role to an advisory  
one. Human rights law recognizes cost constraints through the bona fide justification  
defence but Canada has not made that argument (2018 CHRT 4 at paras. 45-46).  
[31] In crafting its orders, the Panel is not interested in becoming involved in the details  
of program or policy design by for example choosing between policies as long as systemic  
discrimination is eliminated. The Panel’s objective in the remedial orders is to ensure that  
discriminatory policies cease to be used and the discrimination is remedied. The Panel is  
willing to make further orders if the discriminatory practices continue. Not to do so would be  
unfair to the successful parties. It is important to distinguish policy choices made by Canada  
that satisfactorily address the discrimination, in which the Panel refrains from intervening,  
from policy choices made by Canada that do not prevent the practice from reoccurring. To  
explain this, if the Panel finds that Canada is repeating history and choosing similar or  
identical ways to provide child welfare services that amounted to discrimination, the Panel  
has justification to intervene. While the Panel is willing to make further orders if Canada  
implements policies that fail to address the discrimination, it will not intervene if Canada  
implements policies that address the discrimination (2018 CHRT 4 at paras. 48-54).  
[32] In particular, the Panel highlights the following passages from 2018 CHRT 4:  
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[51] Indeed, the Supreme Court in Quebec (Commission des droits de la  
personne et des droits de la jeunesse) v. Communauté urbaine de Montréal,  
2004 SCC 30 () has also directed human rights tribunals to ensure that  
their remedies are effective, creative when necessary, and respond to the  
fundamental nature of the rights in question:  
[52] Despite occasional disagreements over the appropriate means of  
redress, the case law of this Court, (…), stresses the need for flexibility and  
imagination in the crafting of remedies for infringements of fundamental  
human rights (…) Thus, in the context of seeking appropriate recourse before  
an administrative body or a court of competent jurisdiction, the enforcement  
of this law can lead to the imposition of affirmative or negative obligations  
designed to correct or bring an end to situations that are incompatible with the  
Quebec Charter. (see at para. 26),(emphasis ours),  
[53] If the past discriminatory practices are not addressed in a meaningful  
fashion, the Panel may deem it necessary to make further orders. It would be  
unfair for the Complainants, the Commission and the interested parties who  
were successful in this complaint, after many years and different levels of  
Courts, to have to file another complaint for the implementation of the  
Tribunal’s orders and reform of the First Nations’ Child welfare system.  
[54] It is important to distinguish policy choices made by Canada that  
satisfactorily address the discrimination, in which the Panel refrains from  
intervening, from policy choices made by Canada that do not prevent the  
practice from reoccurring. To explain this, if the Panel finds that Canada is  
repeating history and choosing similar or identical ways to provide child  
welfare services that amounted to discrimination, the Panel has justification to  
intervene.  
(2018 CHRT 4 at paras 51-54).  
[33] The Panel previously distinguished immediate relief orders from long term reform:  
Finally on this point, while Canada advances that it needs to consult with all  
First Nations’ communities, which in our view remains paramount for long term  
reform, the Panel does not think consultation prevents Canada from  
implementing immediate relief. In so far as Canada’s position is that it cannot  
unilaterally make decisions, the Panel finds Canada has done so: namely to  
maintain the status quo in some areas even when the needs of specific  
communities or groups have been clearly identified and expressed in  
numerous reports filed in evidence in this case and, referred to, in the [Merit]  
Decision’s findings.  
(2018 CHRT 4 at para. 55).  
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[34] The Panel recognized the value of Canada engaging in broad consultation with First  
Nations’ communities as part of its reforms of child and family services. However, the Panel  
did not find that consultation could delay immediate reform (2018 CHRT 4 at para. 55).  
[35] The Panel reiterated the objectives of the CHRA at multiple points in its reasons,  
including in 2018 CHRT 4 at para. 165:  
the CHRA’s objectives under sections 2 and 53 are not only to  
eradicate discrimination but also to prevent the practice from re-  
occurring. If the Panel finds that some of the same behaviours and  
patterns that led to systemic discrimination are still occurring, it has to  
intervene. This is the case here.  
(2018 CHRT 4 at para. 165).  
[36] The Panel determined that a phased approach to remedies was needed to ensure  
short term relief was granted first, then mid-term and long-term relief, and complete reform  
which takes much longer to implement. The Panel understood that if Canada took 5 years  
or more to reform the Program, there was a crucial need to address discrimination now in  
the most meaningful way possible with the evidence available now. It may be necessary for  
the Panel to remain seized to ensure both that discriminatory practices are addressed and  
that there is an appropriate plan in place to ensure they will not reoccur (2018 CHRT 4 at  
paras. 384-389).  
[37] In 2019 CHRT 7, the Panel described the remedial provisions of section 53(2)(a) of  
the CHRA as an injunction-like power to order that a discriminatory practice cease (paras.  
45-55).  
[38] The Panel discussed the purpose of individual financial compensation as a remedy  
in 2019 CHRT 39 [the Compensation Decision]. Individual remedies both validate the  
victims’ suffering and deter future discrimination (para. 14). Damages for wilful and reckless  
conduct in particular send a message that human rights are to be respected (para. 15).  
These remedies contrast with the other remedies aimed at preventing discrimination (para.  
229). More generally in the Compensation Decision, the Panel reiterated its earlier  
comments on the remedial purpose of the CHRA, including noting that the Panel was  
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obliged to consider the specific circumstances of the case, including as set out in the  
Statement of Particulars, the submissions and the evidence (para. 94-111).  
[39] The Panel reviewed the appropriate approach to the Tribunal’s retention of  
jurisdiction in 2020 CHRT 7 at paragraphs 51 to 57. The Panel indicated that the retention  
of jurisdiction in this case allowed the parties to request amendments to the Panel’s orders  
if their expertise and experience identified a means to improve the orders’ effectiveness.  
The Panel recognized that implementing remedies in this case would involve discussion and  
negotiation between the parties. That is a complex process which requires flexibility. The  
Panel reviewed prior caselaw that concluded that it may be appropriate, in particular in the  
case of complex remedial orders, for the Tribunal to retain jurisdiction while the order is  
implemented.  
[40] One of those cases the Panel reviewed was Berberi v. Attorney General of Canada,  
2011 CHRT 23:  
… the wide remedial powers set out therein, coupled with the principle that  
human rights legislation should be interpreted liberally, in a manner that  
accords full recognition and effect to the rights protected under such  
legislation, enables the Tribunal to reserve jurisdiction on certain matters in  
order to ensure that the remedies ordered by the Tribunal are forthcoming to  
complainants (see Grover at paras. 29-36).  
(2020 CHRT 7 at para. 54 citing Berberi v. Attorney General of Canada, 2011  
CHRT 23 at para. 13).  
[41] In 2020 CHRT 24, the Panel also noted that it should not remain seized with the case  
indefinitely once long-term remedies are addressed and that it should not constantly address  
new issues. However, the Band Representative Services issue falls squarely within the  
scope of its orders and monitoring in order to eliminate discrimination and prevent it from  
reoccurring. (para. 23).  
[42] Further, the Panel notes its comments at paras. 21-23:  
[21]The Panel issued orders in 2018 CHRT 4 and remained seized of the  
implementation of those orders. The Panel has jurisdiction to answer requests  
for clarification of those orders, especially if the parties disagree on their  
interpretation. The Panel does not view this motion as a new issue. Rather, it  
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is an issue of interpretation and implementation of the order and is one of the  
reasons why the Panel remained seized of its orders.  
[22]The spirit of the 2018 CHRT 4 ruling is to remain seized of the  
implementation of the orders and to amend those orders if subsequent studies  
and/or new information show additional details on best practices and specific  
needs that were not accounted for given the lack of data. This was always  
part of the Panel’s goal for long-term relief and has not changed.  
[23]In fact, in 2018 CHRT 4 at paragraph 444, the Panel wrote:  
The Panel retains jurisdiction over the above orders to ensure  
that they are effectively and meaningfully implemented, and to  
further refine or clarify its orders if necessary. The Panel will  
continue to retain jurisdiction over these orders until December  
10, 2018 when it will revisit the need to retain jurisdiction  
beyond that date. Given the ongoing nature of the Panel’s  
orders, and given that the Panel still needs to rule upon other  
outstanding remedial requests such as mid-to long term and  
compensation, the Panel will continue to maintain jurisdiction  
over this matter. Any further retention of jurisdiction will be re-  
evaluated following further reporting by Canada (emphasis  
added).  
[43] In 2021 CHRT 6, the Panel reviewed the scope of the CHRA remedial powers (paras.  
51-76). The limitations on the CHRA’s remedial powers are those set out at section 54  
limiting remedies against individuals who secured employment or accommodation in good  
faith. The Panel confirmed that interpreting the CHRA required using the modern approach  
to statutory interpretation in the context of the special nature of human rights legislation, as  
the Panel identified in earlier rulings.  
[44] The Panel reviewed key case law interpreting the remedial scope of the CHRA with  
a particular focus on Action Travail des femmes and Robichaud (2021 CHRT 6 at paras.  
59-75). These cases indicate that the Tribunal has significant discretion in awarding  
remedies but that this discretion must be guided by the purpose of the legislation to prevent  
and remedy discrimination. The remedies must be effective. It is not to be read narrowly to  
limit the Tribunal’s remedial tools given both general legislative interpretation principles and  
its quasi-constitutional status. Systemic remedies, such as supported under section 53(2)(a)  
of the CHRA by reference to section 16(1), are often required in cases of systemic  
discrimination. The main purposes of such a systemic remedy in Action Travail des femmes  
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are countering the effects of systemic discrimination including addressing the attitudinal  
problem of stereotyping.  
[45] In 2021 CHRT 12, the Panel reviewed the remedial purpose of the CHRA in a  
consent order (paras. 25-41). The Panel reviewed a number of its prior rulings and findings,  
which are summarized above. In addition, Panel referred to Ontario v. Association of Ontario  
Midwives, 2020 ONSC 2839. In that case, the Divisional Court approved of the Panel’s  
reasoning in this systemic discrimination case that found that “governments have a proactive  
human rights duty to prevent discrimination which includes ensuring their funding policies,  
programs and formulas are designed from the outset based on a substantive equality  
analysis and are regularly monitored and updated” (Association of Ontario Midwives at para.  
189).  
[46] In addition, the Federal Court’s reasons in Stringer v. Canada (Attorney General),  
2013 FC 735 inform the Panel’s approach to systemic remedies. In that case, the Public  
Service Labour Relations Board made a factual finding that there was a systemic failure to  
accommodate by not providing managers with any training about accommodations. Given  
that finding, it was unreasonable to conclude that training would not be a remedy that would  
prevent discrimination. In particular, the Court stated that the fact that an employer’s policies,  
if followed, would have prevented the discrimination does not preclude the adjudicator from  
ordering systemic remedies. A factual finding that would support a systemic remedy required  
the adjudicator to properly turn their mind to the appropriateness of the systemic remedy  
(paras. 119-126). Finally, the injunction-like cease and desist order continues to stand and  
has not been canceled by any subsequent orders.  
[47] With the legal principles referred to above, in order to answer the questions below,  
the Panel has weighted and considered all evidence alongside the parties’ positions and  
supporting materials on a balance of probabilities (see Quebec (Commission des droits de  
la personne et des droits de la jeunesse) v. Bombardier Inc. (Bombardier Aerospace  
Training Center), 2015 SCC 39 at para. 3).  
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[48] Has Canada arrived at a current approach to capital and to retroactive redress of the  
past application of downward adjustments that will fully address the adverse discriminatory  
impacts identified by the Tribunal?  
[49] The Panel finds there is sufficient evidence and other information in this case to  
establish on a balance of probabilities that Canada’s current approach does not fully address  
the adverse discriminatory impacts identified by the Tribunal. Furthermore, prima facie  
discrimination was previously found concerning this issue and Canada had not established  
a defence under sections 15 or 16 of the CHRA. In this motion, Canada’s current approach  
did not convince the Tribunal that Canada is addressing the issue in a timely manner to  
cease and desist the systemic discrimination identified by the Tribunal.  
[50] If not, what further orders (if any) are appropriate?  
[51]  
The Tribunal will address this under each section below.  
General Analysis on Canada’s Approach  
[52] In reviewing the submissions and evidence that relate to each of the distinct issues  
addressed in this ruling, the Panel has reached some overarching conclusions on Canada’s  
approach. These findings are based on the submissions and evidence relating to all of the  
issues in this motion and, equally, apply to each of the issues analysed in this ruling.  
Accordingly, this portion is set out first because it applies to the entirety of the analysis that  
appears later in these reasons.  
[53] Upon review of the evidence, it is obvious that clear efforts are being made by ISC  
to comply with the Tribunal’s orders as ISC interprets them. Of note, Canada’s affiant Ms.  
Johanne Wilkinson, Assistant Deputy Minister for Child and Family Services Reform at ISC,  
admitted ISC did not have a specific timeframe for a capital plan for agencies (see Cross-  
examination of Johanne Wilkinson, May 7, 2019 at p.83 lines 6-9). In terms of capital, the  
evidence shows that Canada places more emphasis on the Tribunal’s 2018 CHRT 4 orders  
that did not order actual costs funding for major capital such as major renovations, space  
expansions, building purchase and construction. Ms. Wilkinson read the Merit Decision,  
2016 CHRT 10, and 2016 CHRT 16. Moreover, she testified that the Merit Decision  
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certainly found that there were discriminatory practices in the program and called for a  
number of reforms to begin and for the discriminatory practices to end and for funding to  
flow to make up for those gapsand was aware the Tribunal had stated the rulings should  
be read together (see Cross-examination of Johanne Wilkinson, May 7, 2019 at pp.16-17).  
It is also clear that ISC has a process to follow to modify its program authorities and Terms  
and Conditions. While it does have some flexibility, when its authorities and Terms and  
Conditions do not include an item even if ordered by the Tribunal such as capital  
infrastructure that supports the delivery of services forming part of these proceedings, ISC  
resorts to a number of steps. For example, it will discuss with its partners at different tables  
and elsewhere and collect information. ISC will use that information in order to make a case  
to Treasury Board and Cabinet for potential changes as Ms. Wilkinson describes it: if there  
is appetite for it. It is also manifest that ISC has to follow legal processes under the Financial  
Administration Act and Treasury Board and seek approval for significant expansion and/or  
expenses that are not in the FNCFS Program’s authorities and Terms and Conditions.  
[54] Parliament has the exclusive authority to issue payments out of public funds, as  
confirmed by section 26 of the Financial Administration Act. A government department  
cannot unilaterally make such a payment. When a Minister determines that a policy change  
requires increased funding, the Minister must seek approval from Cabinet and prepare a  
Treasury Board submission. The Treasury Board process requires specific details on how  
the funding will be used and the justification for the change. “Terms and Conditions”  
establish the parameters of how the money can be spent. ISC is responsible for ensuring  
that FNCFS Program funds are used in accordance with the Terms and Conditions as part  
of the government’s stewardship role for the accountability of public funds.  
[55] In the end, the decision is made by Treasury Board or Cabinet to accept the inclusion  
or not of funding for specific items as part of the approved authorities. In other words, as  
explained above, ISC does not have the final word, Cabinet and Treasury Board do. The  
parties to the CCCW discussed strategies to increase the capital threshold, accompanied  
by a directive on capital, so that further changes to the threshold would not require a  
Treasury Board process. The draft directive on capital would be provided to the CCCW for  
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review. This is a positive plan that may fully address immediate funding needs in some cases  
and partially do so for others given the funding cap. This will be revisited below.  
[56] Nevertheless, it may be less compelling for Cabinet and Treasury Board to approve  
authorities if there is a belief that other programs may be responsive to needs. However, to  
date while efforts are made to collect information, the information remains unclear on the  
elimination of the lack of coordination found that impacts service delivery. There is  
insufficient evidence about different programs offered to First Nations children and families  
on-reserve and how each really address the real needs of children and families. In other  
words, the Tribunal is unaware of the existence of a completed thorough analysis of all  
programs on-reserve, how they interrelate, intersect and ensure that there are no gaps in  
services to First Nations children. There is insufficient evidence to date to establish that the  
gaps in services to First Nations children and families on-reserve or ordinarily on reserve  
have all been addressed and accounted for by other programs when the FNCFS Program’s  
authorities do not include items or place a funding cap. The Tribunal raises this point to  
illustrate that referring to other programs when a legitimate request is made for service  
delivery may not be sufficiently responsive to the Tribunal’s orders as it will be explained  
below.  
[57] Further, while the Panel understands the funding processes established in law, little  
is said about Parliament’s goal to eliminate discrimination and the Executive needs to take  
into account Canada’s established liability. The Tribunal found systemic racial discrimination  
in 2016 and ordered Canada to cease it. Canada did not challenge the Tribunal’s orders to  
cease the discriminatory practices to reflect the findings in the Merit Decision.  
[58] The Panel believes that both fiscal accountability and remedying systemic  
discrimination can certainly coexist and be applied together. However, as it will be further  
explained below, the Panel rejects Canada’s argument that if Cabinet and Treasury Board  
do not adequately fund the FNCFS Program and Jordan’s Principle, the Tribunal should  
accept this because of the separation of powers. The Tribunal already rejected a separation  
of powers argument in previous unchallenged rulings. Canada did not make an argument  
under section 15 or 16 of the CHRA. Canada was found liable and was ordered to cease  
the discrimination that is still ongoing until long term reform is implemented.  
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[59] Moreover, if the Tribunal accepts Canada’s argument, this would allow the Executive  
to be shielded from orders even when found liable in human rights cases. Furthermore, all  
that Canada would have to advance to shield itself is that it is not the government’s goal or  
priority. The SCC rejected that argument in Kelso v. The Queen, 1981 171 (SCC),  
[1981] 1 SCR 199, which the Tribunal relied on in the Merit Decision. The Tribunal makes  
clear that Parliament expressed its goal clearly in adopting the quasi-constitutional CHRA.  
Cabinet and Treasury Board are not above the CHRA’s application. When found liable for  
systemic discrimination, they must eliminate it effectively. Lastly, Canada’s Financial  
Administration Act arguments advanced in this motion are insufficient to establish a section  
15 or 16 of the CHRA defence.  
[60] This being said, in participating in consultation tables such as the CCCW, the  
National Advisory Committee on First Nations Child and Family Services Program Reform  
(NAC) and others, ISC often hears from the parties and other partners on the areas requiring  
improvement. The evidence demonstrates not only that ISC is present at those meetings  
but also is making improvements to the FNCFS Program and to Jordan’s Principle  
mechanism and those changes are often informed by those discussions. Some changes  
are made following discussions with the parties. Real efforts are made by ISC staff to make  
cases to Treasury Board and/or Cabinet for funding.  
[61] The Panel understands that disagreements may occur and is not ordering  
consensus. While it is ideal, it may not always be possible. The Panel looked at the nature  
of disagreements in light of its findings. Many approaches may be valid as long as there is  
evidence that the real needs of First Nations children are being met sooner rather than later.  
This is the Tribunal’s focus.  
[62]  
It is also clear from the evidence that Canada is on board for the development of a  
new long-term funding formula informed by new studies.  
[63] Further, the Tribunal ordered a complete reform of the FNCFS Program to cease and  
desist from the discriminatory practice found in the decision including to move away from  
the lack of coordination of federal programs causing gaps, denials and delays in services to  
First Nations children and families.  
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[64] The Honourable Jane Philpott, Canada's first Minister of Indigenous Services, began  
to lead ISC's efforts to start bringing a holistic approach to delivering the social, healthcare,  
and infrastructure services essential to ensuring healthy children, individuals, families and  
communities. The First Nations and Inuit Health Branch (FNIHB) has been formally  
transferred from Health Canada to the new Department of Indigenous Services Canada.  
She stated that: Our work will be based on recognition and respect for the right to self-  
determination(See affidavit of Lorri Warner, dated March 4, 2020 at exhibit 9).  
[65] Canada’s expressed its goal to move away from Canada’s previous approach to  
programs that the Tribunal found to be working in silos. Canada stated it is focusing on a  
holistic, intersectional and First Nation community driven approach which if fully  
implemented would address the systemic racial discrimination found by the Tribunal and  
would align with the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples in the  
long-term. The Panel entirely agrees with this goal if it materializes.  
[66] Further, the Panel prefers this Nation-to-Nation approach and has expressed it in its  
previous rulings especially in 2018 CHRT 4. Therefore, the Panel agrees with Canada on  
this important goal.  
[67]  
This is the ideal approach as long as the systemic racial discrimination is  
satisfactorily addressed and communities and agencies are not denied when they express  
real measurable needs connected to service delivery including during transition as it will be  
discussed below.  
II.  
Major Capital Context  
[68] The moving parties in this motion request that Canada be directed to fund Major  
Capital for FNCFS Agencies, for Jordan’s Principle requests, and for First Nations in Ontario  
providing Band Representative Services and prevention services. The moving parties  
request that this funding include related costs such as feasibility studies and administrative  
costs involved in Major Capital projects.  
 
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[69] The Terms and Conditions of the FNCFS Program identify Major Capital as “the  
purchase or construction of capital assets (e.g. buildings) that support the delivery of FNCFS  
services”.  
[70] In the Merit Decision, the Tribunal noted that the first Wen:De Report, from 2004,  
identified a lack of funding for capital costs (Merit Decision at para. 157). The Tribunal relied  
on the second and third Wen:De reports again confirming the lack of capital funding (Merit  
Decision at paras. 162 and 177). The lack of cost-sharing of capital expenditures since 1975  
under the Memorandum of Agreement Respecting Welfare Programs for Indians (the 1965  
Agreement) resulted in children being sent out of communities for treatment due to a lack of  
facilities in the communities (Merit Decision at para. 245). The inadequate funding for capital  
was found to hinder FNCFS Agenciesability to provide provincially/territorially mandated  
child welfare services, let alone culturally appropriate services to First Nations children and  
families” (Merit Decision at para. 458). The lack of funding for capital was part of the  
evidence that substantiated the finding of a discriminatory practice in the Merit Decision.  
[71] Three months after the Merit Decision, the Tribunal issued a ruling directing Canada  
to implement immediate reforms to the FNCFS Program, the 1965 Agreement and Jordan’s  
Principle. The ruling emphasised the need to reform the funding structure of the FNCFS  
Program including as it relates to capital infrastructure (2016 CHRT 10 at para. 20).  
[72]  
The Tribunal reiterated the need for immediate relief including in relation to capital  
infrastructure in 2016 CHRT 16 at paragraph 36. Of note, at paragraph 18, the Tribunal  
reminded Canada that the funding did not accurately reflect the real service needs of many  
on-reserve communities resulting in inadequate fixed funding for operation costs (capital  
costs, multiple offices, cost of living adjustment, staff salaries and benefits, training, legal,  
remoteness and travel) and prevention costs (primary, secondary and tertiary services to  
maintain children safely in their family homes), hindering the ability of FNCFS Agencies to  
provide provincially/territorially mandated child welfare services, let alone culturally  
appropriate services.  
[73] The Tribunal recognized, in 2016, that while capital spending for repairs, especially  
to ensure compliance with appropriate fire, safety and building code standards, could be  
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done immediately while some capital discussions would require longer to ensure an  
appropriate planning process (2016 CHRT 16 at para. 49).  
[74] In 2016 CHRT 16, the Tribunal again recognized that capital infrastructure had not  
been funded under the 1965 Agreement since 1975. The Tribunal identified an immediate  
need for interim capital funding until the long-term capital issues could be addressed (2016  
CHRT 16 at para. 97).  
[75] Further, at paragraph 160, the Tribunal ordered INAC to determine budgets for each  
individual FNCFS Agency based on an evaluation of its distinct needs and circumstances,  
including an appropriate evaluation of how remoteness may affect the FNCFS Agency’s  
ability to provide services.  
[76] The Tribunal addressed requests for funding the actual costs of a number of items  
including building repairs in 2018 CHRT 4. The Tribunal engaged in extensive analysis that  
reiterated that funding was inadequate, including for infrastructure and capital expenditures  
and that the failure to address these deficiencies amounted to a continuation of the  
discriminatory practice identified by the Tribunal in the Merit Decision. The Tribunal  
addressed Canada’s concerns about funding and noted that Canada’s willingness to provide  
indeterminate funding for First Nations children apprehended into care but not for providing  
adequate prevention services reflected a system built on a colonial mindset perpetuating  
historical harm against Indigenous peoples, and all justified under policy. Moreover, it is  
leading to the mass removal of First Nations children from their homes, families,  
communities and Nations (2018 CHRT 4 at paras.47, 62, 66 and 114-195). Based on this  
analysis and the concerns it identified with Canada’s practices, the Tribunal ordered Canada  
to provide immediate funding relief for minor capital expenditures such as building repairs  
(2018 CHRT 4 at paras. 212-213, 231-237). The Tribunal recognized the need to assess  
the capital requirements of all FNCFS Agencies to inform immediate, mid and long-term  
reform and incorporate such directions into its orders (2018 CHRT 4 at para. 374).  
[77] Additionally, the Tribunal found that the failure to fund Band Representative Services  
was discriminatory. In the Merit Decision, the Tribunal found that Ontario appropriately  
funded Band Representative Services while Canada took the position that it was not  
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required to do so (paras. 392, 425 and 426). The Tribunal confirmed the need to rectify the  
discriminatory practice of not appropriately funding Band Representative Services in the  
Merit Decision at paras. 228-230, 236-238, 389, 392, 425 and 426; 2018 CHRT 4 at  
paragraphs 324-337 and 2020 CHRT 24.  
[78] The Institute for Fiscal Studies and Democracy (IFSD) completed its report,  
“Enabling First Nations Children to Thrive” on the needs of FNCFS Agencies on December  
15, 2018. The report recommended a one-time capital investment of between $116 and  
$175 million based on current service provision with a further budgeted 2% annual  
recapitalization rate. The report also identified agencies concerns that their current  
infrastructure was inadequate, including 59% who reported that buildings required repairs.  
[79] Finally, on this point it is noteworthy to mention two significant pieces of information.  
The first one is that the Terms and Conditions of the FNCFS Program, which defines what  
expenses can be funded under the program, now indicate that both Minor and Major Capital  
expenses are eligible for funding.  
[80] The second one is that, ISC currently has a Capital Directive in relation to capital  
spending for FNCFS Agencies. This document has undergone a number of revisions and  
has been discussed at CCCW meetings. The party submissions, summarized below,  
discuss the adequacy of these measures.  
III.  
A.  
Major Capital Party Submissions  
The Caring Society  
[81] The Caring Society requests the following orders:  
1. Further to the Tribunal’s February 1, 2018 orders in 2018 CHRT 4, Canada  
shall fund the Major Capital costs of small FNCFS Agencies, and for  
administration and governance, prevention, intake/investigation, and legal  
services at their actual cost;  
2. In consultation with the CCCW, Canada shall provide funding for FNCFS  
Agencies to conduct Major Capital needs and feasibility studies;  
   
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3. Where such feasibility studies identify a need for Major Capital, Canada  
shall fund the design, land purchase (if required) and fulfillment of permit and  
other administrative requirements to facilitate construction;  
4. Where projects are ready to proceed, Canada shall fund the Major Capital  
needs of FNCFS Agencies at actual cost;  
5. In order to carry out orders #3 and #4, Canada shall create a long-term  
capital envelope for FNCFS Agencies to address their Major Capital needs as  
they continue to arise, with the initial size of the envelope to be guided by the  
IFSD report.  
6. Canada shall write to all First Nations child and family services agencies  
within 30 days of the order advising them on how to access Major Capital  
funding; and  
7. Canada shall post its policy on Major Capital for FNCFS Agencies on its  
website.  
[82] The Caring Society relies on the Tribunal’s findings in the Merit Decision for the  
importance of capital funding. In particular, the Caring Society notes that the Tribunal found  
that the failure to provide for capital costs hinders “the ability of FNCFS Agencies to provide  
provincially/territorially mandated services, let alone culturally appropriate services to First  
Nations children and families” (Merit Decision at para. 458). The Caring Society argues that  
the funding for new staff and programs aimed at addressing the discrimination in this case  
cannot be effective without adequate space in which to operate. The relief requested is  
limited to ancillary Major Capital costs of increased programming that accompanies the  
Tribunal’s existing orders.  
[83] The Caring Society recognizes that the Tribunal’s order in 2018 CHRT 4 concerning  
repairs address part of the physical infrastructure deficit but contends that it does not  
address the provision of additional space for new or expanded preventative programming.  
[84] The Caring Society further relies on these orders to reject Canada’s submission that  
the requested relief on this motion is outside the scope of the motion. For example, 2016  
CHRT 16 at paragraph 158 indicated the items to be addressed immediately “include […]  
capital infrastructure […]”. Canada advanced, and lost, a similar argument about scope in  
its closing submissions on the Merit Decision.  
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[85] While the Caring Society appreciates the Panel’s direction to Indigenous and  
Northern Affairs Canada (INAC), now ISC, to “develop an interim strategy to deal with the  
infrastructure needs of FNCFS Agencies” (2016 CHRT 16 at para. 97), the Caring Society  
is not satisfied with Canada’s progress to date. While Major Capital has been added to as  
an eligible expenditure pursuant to FNCFS Program terms and conditions and Canada has  
recognised infrastructure in its Jordan’s Principle costing, Canada has not presented a  
concrete plan or commitment to provide appropriate funding. While Canada has asserted a  
need to coordinate with other groups and organizations, the Caring Society is concerned  
that Canada ought to be proceeding more expeditiously based on available, quality  
information. The Caring Society notes that the issue of capital has been “under discussion”  
for a very long time, dating back to the 2000 National Policy Review. The matter was  
addressed by a number of witnesses during the 2013-2014 hearings.  
[86] The Caring Society notes that the IFSD circulated a needs assessment report titled  
“Enabling First Nations Children to Thrive” to the parties on December 15, 2018 with findings  
and recommendations including in relation to capital requirements. The report was  
published on January 14, 2019. The Caring Society contends that this report provides the  
information Canada requires to meet the Major Capital needs of FNCFS Agencies. The  
IFSD report indicated that a one-time investment of between $116 million and $175 million  
is required for FNCFS Agency headquarter facilities. The report provides a reference point  
but need not be the exclusive source of information. The Caring Society advises that it is  
not seeking an order for a specific amount but, rather, is seeking an order that Canada act  
on the expert advice produced by the ordered needs assessment. Further, and contrary to  
Canada’s submissions, the Caring Society is not seeking an order requiring the  
implementation of the IFSD report. Nor is the Caring Society seeking a certain quantity of  
funding to be set aside. Rather, the Caring Society seeks an order directing Canada to  
create a funding envelope and to consider the IFSD report when establishing the structure  
of the funding envelope and initial funding available.  
[87] The Caring Society submits that it is unnecessary to wait for a full new funding model  
to address these needs. In particular, Major Capital expenditures have not been funded  
since 1991.  
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[88] The Caring Society indicates that its requested orders are broadly worded in order to  
respect First Nations decision-making and existing programs. The Caring Society assumes  
that feasibility studies would be expected to take First Nations priorities into consideration.  
The Caring Society is not asking the Tribunal to impose its view of community needs but  
rather is asking the Tribunal to establish a framework that would allow communities to  
identify and meet their needs. The Caring Society does not assume the capital funding  
would be provided outside the Community Infrastructure Branch.  
[89] The Caring Society contends that Canada’s argument that it has complied with the  
Panel’s capital funding orders to date fails to recognize the specific needs identified by the  
Panel in its reasons and the Panel’s direction not to read the orders in isolation from the  
reasons. The identified deficiencies in Major Capital funding require proactive steps beyond  
policy changes.  
[90] The Caring Society argues that Canada’s submissions demonstrate the ad hoc  
nature of capital funding for FNCFS Agencies relying on surpluses, specific Budget 2018  
funding, or Community Well-being and Jurisdiction Initiatives. There is no capital funding  
program to support Jordan’s Principle. Further, Canada has not indicated there is any  
government mandate to provide capital in order to address, in particular, Jordan’s Principle  
group requests.  
B.  
The Chiefs of Ontario  
[91] The Chiefs of Ontario (COO) support the Caring Society’s submissions.  
C.  
Assembly of First Nations  
[92] The AFN supports the Caring Society’s submissions. The AFN submits that an order  
directing Canada to work with the other parties to develop a long-term solution to address  
capital infrastructure by a fixed date is both necessary and desirable.  
[93] In addition, the AFN indicates that the Panel found, in the Merit Decision at paragraph  
458, that deficiencies in capital funding hindered “the ability of FNCFS Agencies to provide  
   
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provincially/territorially mandated child welfare services, let alone culturally appropriate  
services to First Nations children and families.” Little progress has been made on  
discussions to date. The IFSD report reasserts the need for Canada to provide adequate  
Major Capital funding.  
D.  
Nishnawbe Aski Nation  
[94] Nishnawbe Aski Nation (NAN) supports the position of the Caring Society.  
E.  
Commission  
[95] The Canadian Human Rights Commission (Commission) does not seek any  
particular order. However, the Commission would welcome an enforceable timeline around  
next steps including Canada’s response to the IFSD report.  
[96] The Commission starts by providing general comments. This matter relates to the  
implementation of the Tribunal’s previous rulings and arises pursuant to the Tribunal’s  
retained jurisdiction. As the Commission has previously submitted, the previous rulings set  
out the nature, scope and purpose of the Tribunal’s retained jurisdiction. Further orders may  
be necessary in order to craft an effective remedy involving complex policy reform. There is  
likely a need for the Tribunal to receive further information from the parties. The Tribunal  
encouraged the parties to work collaboratively to implement remedies.  
[97] The Commission indicates that section 53 of the CHRA provides the Tribunal with  
broad remedial authority to make victims of discriminatory practices whole and to prevent a  
recurrence of the discrimination. The Commission rejects the suggestion that the Tribunal  
does not have the jurisdiction to issue remedial orders that require the allocation of public  
funds or changes to public policy. The Tribunal rejected a similar argument in 2018 CHRT  
4 at paragraphs 31-48 with reasons that continue to apply. Further, section 53 of the CHRA  
provides the Tribunal the statutory authority to impose such a remedy. The Financial  
Administration Act must be read in the context of the quasi-constitutional status of the CHRA  
that is presumed to have primacy over other legislation.  
   
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[98] The Commission summarizes the Tribunal’s prior rulings on this matter. The Tribunal  
found that Canada’s underfunding of prevention services, failure to fund Band  
Representative Services in Ontario, and failure to properly implement Jordan’s Principle  
constituted discriminatory practices. The Tribunal ordered Canada to remedy the  
discrimination including by providing funding to provide these services in a substantively  
equal and culturally appropriate manner. The Tribunal’s orders extended to the provision of  
adequate capital funding. The finding in the Merit Decision that the FNCFS Program funding  
structure created deficiencies, including through the lack of capital infrastructure, that  
hindered the ability of FNCFS Agencies to provide mandated, let alone culturally  
appropriate, services was supported through numerous pieces of evidence. The 2016  
CHRT 10 and 2016 CHRT 16 rulings included capital infrastructure as an item to be  
remedied immediately. In 2018 CHRT 4, the Tribunal found that Canada’s proposal to  
address minor capital was inadequate. The Tribunal directed an assessment of capital  
needs while providing reimbursement of actual costs pending the implementation of a new  
funding model.  
[99] The Commission summarizes the current state of Major Capital funding. It notes that  
the terms and conditions of the FNCFS Program identifies that eligible expenses include  
Major Capital whether provided by FNCFS Agencies or others such as First Nations  
delivering programs. The IFSD report includes an assessment and quantification of capital  
needs for FNCFS Agencies. Canada has not conducted a specific survey or assessment on  
the capital needs of First Nations in Ontario with respect to prevention or Band  
Representative Services. Jordan’s Principle funding has not contained authorizations for  
capital spending to provide space to deliver the funded services.  
[100] The Commission submits that the Tribunal’s previous decisions have already  
identified the need for capital funding to ensure the delivery of appropriate services. Canada  
has taken steps with the IFSD needs assessment, amending the terms and conditions of  
the FNCFS Program and discussing capital spending with the parties while paying the actual  
costs of required repairs on an interim basis. Nonetheless, considerable time has passed  
since the Tribunal first identified this issue.  
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[101] The Commission is of the view that Canada has yet to settle on a long-term strategy  
to meet actual capital needs, nor has it communicated clear directions for FNCFS Agencies,  
First Nations or other service providers to follow when seeking Major Capital in the interim.  
F.  
Canada  
[102] In sum, Canada submits that it has complied with the Tribunal’s orders and there are  
no outstanding issues of compliance. There is no evidence of ongoing discrimination. The  
motion for non-compliance should be dismissed. Canada should be given time to follow the  
democratic structures in place to ensure the accountability of public funds. Further, Canada  
should be provided an opportunity to continue the current system that involves collaboration  
with Indigenous governing bodies.  
[103] In general, Canada has updated the guidance it provides to First Nations and FNCFS  
Agencies about the FNCFS Program. It has removed Chapter 5 from the Social Programs  
National Manual and instead provides a variety of tools that support making claims based  
on actual expenses. These documents were developed in consultation with the parties and  
have been updated as the FNCFS Program’s Terms and Conditions changed.  
[104] Along with the other parties, Canada established the CCCW for consultations on the  
implementation of the Tribunal’s orders. Canada has been engaging partners beyond the  
CCCW as well. In addition to existing funding increases and program reforms, Canada is  
committed to long-term reform of the FNCFS Program that includes a consideration of the  
1965 Agreement, remoteness and long-term options for funding methodologies. This has  
involved a number of studies.  
[105] Canada summarizes its response to various orders issued by the Tribunal. Canada  
has provided various affidavits to demonstrate that it is paying the actual costs of FNCFS  
Agencies retroactive to January 26, 2016 while the program is being reformed, it is  
addressing urgent capital needs, it has approved $9.4 million in building repairs, that it has  
consulted with the parties through the CCCW, and it has revised the authority for funding  
capital in FNCFS Program’s Terms and Conditions. They now allow for greater flexibility and  
expansion on eligibility for expenditures, including expenditures related to capital/building  
 
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repairs, the purchase or construction of capital assets (e.g., buildings), and the purchase  
and maintenance of information technology equipment.  
[106] As noted in Canada’s March 4, 2021 letter, the Terms and Conditions allow  
budgetary surpluses to be reallocated to cover capital expenditures. Canada has also  
increased the amount of FNCFS Program funds from $1.5 million to $2.5 million for agencies  
to use their available funds on capital needs, which would help account for inflation and  
other pressures. Capital funding is also available under the Community Well-being and  
Jurisdiction Initiatives.  
[107] Canada contends that it has demonstrated its commitment to developing a new  
funding mechanism in consultation with the other parties. Canada recounts its consultation  
with other parties while developing revisions to the FNCFS Program Terms and Conditions.  
Canada indicated it would benefit from the IFSD report in order to determine capital  
requirements. Overall, Canada has almost doubled funding for the FNCFS Program,  
radically altered how ISC budgets and manages its finances, and implemented long-term  
reform to ensure that planning is informed by the principle of substantive equality.  
[108] Canada reiterates the importance of working collaboratively to reform the FNCFS  
Program, including as identified by the Tribunal in previous rulings. Reforms require  
collaboration. There is no quick fix to the FNCFS Program.  
[109] Canada frames the requested motion as seeking the following orders:  
1. Fund the Major Capital costs of small FNCFS Agencies, and  
for  
administration  
and  
governance,  
prevention,  
intake/investigation, and legal services at their actual cost;  
2. Provide funding for FNCFS Agencies to conduct Major  
Capital needs and feasibility studies;  
3. Based on the feasibility needs, to fund the design, land  
purchase (if required) and fulfillment of permit and other  
administrative requirements to facilitate construction;  
4. Where projects are ready to proceed, Canada shall fund the  
Major Capital needs of FNCFS Agencies at actual cost; and  
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5. Based on the above, to create a long-term capital envelope  
for FNCFS Agencies to address their Major Capital needs as  
they continue to arise, with the initial size of the envelope to be  
guided by the IFSD report.  
[110] Canada indicates that Parliament has the exclusive authority to issue payments out  
of public funds, as confirmed by section 26 of the Financial Administration Act. A government  
department cannot unilaterally make such a payment. When a Minister determines that a  
policy change requires increased funding, the Minister must seek approval from Cabinet  
and prepare a Treasury Board submission. The Treasury Board process requires specific  
details on how the funding will be used and the justification for the change. “Terms and  
Conditions” establish the parameters of how the money can be spent. ISC is responsible for  
ensuring that FNCFS Program funds are used in accordance with the Terms and Conditions  
as part of the government’s stewardship role for the accountability of public funds.  
[111] Canada argues that there are limits on the Tribunal’s jurisdiction and an order  
directing the allocation of capital expenditures outside the First Nations child and family  
services model is beyond the scope of the complaint. Canada sees a material difference  
between an order to bring buildings up to code and funding Major Capital projects. While  
appropriate funding for Major Capital is required, it is not ancillary to an order to repair  
buildings. There is a distinction between ordering remedies with an incidental impact on  
funding and dictating a specific replacement policy. Ontario v. Criminal Lawyers' Association  
of Ontario, 2013 SCC 43 indicates that courts do not have the jurisdiction to interfere with  
the allocation of public funds absent statutory authority or a constitutional challenge. Canada  
expresses concerns that the Tribunal’s exceptional retention of remedial authority should  
not result in detailed management of the case, as cautioned against in Doucet-Boudreau v.  
Nova Scotia (Minister of Education), 2003 SCC 62 at para. 74. Similarly, Canada cautions  
against allowing the scope of remedial issues to expand such that the remedial phase  
becomes a moving target (Entrop v. Imperial Oil Ltd., 2000 16800, 50 OR (3d) 18  
(OCA) at para. 58).  
[112] Orders that specifically dictate funding would be problematic. Government funding  
relies on certainty that is not provided by a direction to fund actual costs. Directing a specific  
remedy risks creating delay by imposing a remedy ill-suited to the government context.  
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[113] Canada contends that a long-term capital plan requires ongoing consultation and  
time. Consultation is ongoing on this issue and it is important that the consultation involves  
First Nation communities. An intervention in this ongoing process would represent a  
departure from the Tribunal’s role of adjudicating a specific complaint.  
[114] Furthermore, Canada submits the requested orders do not consider the need for  
coordination between First Nations and FNCFS Agencies. The proposed order would ignore  
ISC’s existing infrastructure program that respects the prioritization process First Nations  
have undertaken. An order directing specific on-reserve infrastructure without consultation  
with First Nations would impact other types of on-reserve infrastructure. It is not appropriate  
to make an infrastructure decision in isolation from the First Nation’s priorities and planning  
process already in place. The proposed orders would be contrary to the Nation-to-Nation  
relationship and reconciliation Canada seeks with First Nations.  
[115] Canada has previously advised the Tribunal of how the on-reserve infrastructure  
process is coordinated through the Community Infrastructure Branch of ISC. Canada has  
indicated how ISC has made significant investments in infrastructure and is working with the  
AFN to continue to identify needs. Canada explains how First Nation prioritization of needs  
allows infrastructure to be more effective. The FNCFS Program does not have infrastructure  
expertise such as knowledge of relevant building codes and health and safety standards.  
Accordingly, the FNCFS program needs to rely on expertise outside the program in  
addressing infrastructure needs. Establishing a capital funding program within FNCFS  
Program would be duplicative of existing programs and complicated First Nations interaction  
with ISC bureaucracy while interfering with an established First Nations planning process.  
[116] Moreover, Canada argues that the FNCFS Program Terms and Conditions do not  
currently allow it to fund infrastructure off-reserve. The Community Infrastructure Branch  
would be better positioned to provide such services.  
[117] Canada notes that there is no order requiring it to implement the IFSD report. Further,  
Canada and the parties agree that additional work and research is required. Accordingly,  
Canada funded additional research of up to $1.7 million and approved a research proposal  
by the AFN. It would be inappropriate to rely solely on the IFSD report for an expenditure of  
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such a large sum of money. Canada seeks to work collaboratively with the other parties to  
enable the FNCFS Program to make the strongest possible case for new funding. Canada  
has identified a number of factors not considered in the report such as the funding from the  
2018 Budget. While helpful, the IFSD report does not provide the requisite comprehensive  
understanding of the broad needs of all FNCFS Agencies. The uptake on capital funding to-  
date does not support the magnitude of investment found to be required by the IFSD report.  
It would also be inappropriate for the Tribunal to impose its estimation of community capital  
requirements in place of plans developed by First Nations.  
[118] Canada contends that Ontario specific requested orders are a significant expansion  
of the complaint. The requested order would make child and family services the  
infrastructure priority for all communities which could cause delays for other infrastructure  
projects identified as a priority by the community. Canada is open to explore changes to the  
existing process but that requires technical discussion better suited to CCCW meetings with  
direct consultations with First Nations.  
[119] Canada reiterates a commitment to engage in conversations about long-term capital  
funding including the proposed capital directive it submitted to the parties for discussion.  
The most recent version of the capital directive reflects feedback that Canada received from  
the parties. Canada also emphasizes that it has engaged in consultations on issues that go  
beyond the scope of the complaint.  
[120] Furthermore, Canada submits that the other parties’ submissions demonstrate that  
Canada is engaged in good faith discussions to resolve outstanding issues. The parties  
have yet to reach an agreement on some issues and on other issues there are  
disagreements between the parties. Canada indicates that it has accepted and incorporated  
many suggestions received through the CCCW and National Advisory Committee on First  
Nations Child and Family Services Program Reform (NAC) while acknowledging it has not  
accepted every recommendation. Canada contends that the Tribunal’s intervention is  
required simply because the parties have not been able to reach a consensus, particularly  
on an operational question. Canada retains discretion to make program choices that differ  
from the parties preferred approach. That does not make the decision discriminatory, nor a  
breach of Canada’s duty, should it apply, for consultation to involve good faith discussion.  
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[121] Canada further submits that it cannot be required to obtain the approval of other  
parties before implementing responses to the Tribunal’s remedial orders. Canada relies on  
Canada (Attorney General) v. Johnstone, 2013 FC 113 in support of this proposition.  
Canada retains its role as legislative and executive branch of government.  
IV.  
A.  
Major Capital Analysis  
Prior Major Capital Analysis  
[122] The Panel commented on issues relating to capital funding in prior decisions. The  
Panel continues to rely on those findings and analysis. Some of those findings and analysis  
are set out in what follows.  
[123] In the Merit Decision, the Panel identified the underfunding of capital requirements  
through the FNCFS Program contributed to the discrimination identified in the case and the  
inadequate funding to deliver child and family services, let alone to deliver them in a  
culturally sensitive manner:  
[157] The authors noted that the concerns and challenges expressed by the  
FNCFS Agencies that it interviewed were in line with the NPR findings and  
recommendations, such as the lack of funding for prevention services, legal  
services, capital costs, management information systems, culturally based  
programs, caregivers, staff salaries and training, and costs adjustments for  
remote and small agencies (see Wen:De Report One at pp. 6, 8).  
[124] Further comments that informed the Panel’s analysis in the Merit Decision are found  
at p. 119 of Wen:De Report One:  
Capital investments are lacking in First Nations communities. In most First  
Nations communities, there is also a need for a comprehensive plan relating  
to the capital requirements that would build up the physical infrastructure.  
Funding needs to address the ability of agencies to secure buildings and  
facilities and to have control over them. For example, internally-managed  
therapeutic foster care treatment units are crucial capital investments that will  
ensure stability and consistency for long-term placements, such as high  
needs/high medical needs children in foster care. Maintaining residential  
programs is essential to ensuring an Aboriginal content to programming  
[125] Returning to the Merit Decision, the Panel wrote:  
   
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[162] Overall, with regard to funding under the FNCFS Program, at page 7,  
Wen:De Report Two found that:  
First Nations child and family service agencies are inadequately  
funded in almost every area of operation ranging from capital  
costs, prevention programs, standards and evaluation, staff  
salaries and child in care programs. The disproportionate need  
for services amongst First Nations children and families coupled  
with the under-funding of the First Nations child and family  
service agencies that serve them has resulted in an untenable  
situation.  
[177] Wen:De Report Three recommends certain economic reforms to  
Directive 20-1, along with policy changes to support those reforms. The  
recommended economic reforms from Wen:De Report Three, include: a new  
funding stream for prevention/least disruptive measures (at pp. 19-21);  
adjusting the operations budget (at pp. 24-25); reinstating the annual cost of  
living adjustment on a retroactive basis back to 1995 (at pp. 18-19); providing  
sufficient funding to cover capital costs (buildings, vehicles and office  
equipment) (at pp. 28-29); and, funding for the development of culturally  
based standards by FNCFS Agencies (at p. 30).  
[184] Total costs of implementing all the reforms recommended in Wen:De  
Report Three were estimated at $109.3 million, including $22.9 million for new  
management information systems, capital costs (buildings, vehicles and office  
equipment) and insurance premiums; and, $86.4 million for annual funding  
needs (see at p. 33).  
[190] The Auditor General further noted that because the FNCFS Program’s  
expenditures were growing faster than AANDC’s overall budget, funds had to  
be reallocated from other programs, such as community infrastructure and  
housing. This means spending on housing has not kept pace with growth in  
population and community infrastructure has deteriorated at a faster rate. In  
the Auditor General’s view, AANDC’s budgeting approach for the FNCFS  
Program is not sustainable and needs to minimize the impact on other  
important departmental programs (see 2008 Report of the Auditor General of  
Canada at p. 25, ss. 4.72-4.73), (emphasis added).  
[191] The Auditor General of Canada made 6 recommendations to address  
the findings in its report. AANDC agreed with all the recommendations and  
indicated the actions it has taken or will take to address the recommendations  
(see 2008 Report of the Auditor General of Canada at p. 6 and Appendix).  
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AANDC’s response to the 2008 Report of the Auditor General of  
Canada demonstrates its full awareness of the impacts of its FNCFS Program  
on First Nations children and families on reserves, including that its funding is  
not in line with provincial legislation and standards. Furthermore, despite the  
flaws identified with the new funding formula, AANDC still viewed EPFA as  
the answer to the problems with the FNCFS Program:  
4.67 Recommendation. Indian and Northern Affairs Canada,  
in consultation with First Nations and provinces, should ensure  
that its new funding formula and approach to funding First  
Nations agencies are directly linked with provincial legislation  
and standards, reflect the current range of child welfare  
services, and take into account the varying populations and  
needs of First Nations communities for which it funds on-  
reserve child welfare services.  
The Department’s response. Indian and Northern Affairs  
Canada’s current approach to Child and Family Services  
includes reimbursement of actual costs associated with the  
needs of maintaining a child in care. The Department agrees  
that as new partnerships are entered into, based on the  
enhanced prevention approach, funding will be directly linked to  
activities that better support the needs of children in care and  
incorporate provincial legislation and practice standards.  
(2008 Report of the Auditor General of Canada at pp. 23-24, s.  
4.67)  
[244] According to Child Welfare Report [from the Ontario Association of  
Children’s Aids Societies (OACAS) found at HR-1, tab 209], the current  
funding model does not reflect the needs of Aboriginal communities and  
agencies for several reasons including: insufficient resources for services,  
where they tend to be crisis driven; shortage of funding for administrative  
requirements; lack of funding to establish infrastructure necessary to deliver  
statutory child protection services, while operating within the extraordinary  
infrastructure deficits of many of the communities they serve; and, insufficient  
funds to retain qualified staff to deliver culturally appropriate services (at p. 7).  
[245] In terms of infrastructure and capacity building, the 1965 Agreement has  
not provided for the cost-sharing of capital expenditures since 1975 (see  
testimony of P. Digby, Transcript Vol. 59 at p. 93). Ms. Stevens explained the  
impact of this on her organization: many high-risk children are sent outside  
the community to receive services because there is no treatment centre in the  
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community. Abinoojii Family Services spends approximately 2 to 3 million a  
year sending children outside their community. According to Ms. Stevens,  
there are not enough resources to build a treatment centre or develop  
programs to assist these high-risk children because those funds are  
expended on meeting the current needs of those children (see Transcript Vol.  
25 at p. 32).  
[257] The Panel finds the NPR and Wen:De reports to be highly relevant and  
reliable evidence in this case. They are studies of the FNCFS Program  
commissioned jointly by AANDC and the AFN. They employed a rigorous  
methodology, in depth analysis of Directive 20-1, and consultations with  
various stakeholders. The Panel accepts the findings in these reports. There  
is no indication that AANDC questioned the findings of these reports prior to  
this Complaint. On the contrary, there are indications that AANDC, in fact,  
relied on these reports in amending the FNCFS Program.  
[275] The [Indian and Northern Affairs Canada, Evaluation of the First Nations  
Child and Family Services Program (Departmental Audit and Evaluation  
Branch, March 2007) found at HR-4 at tab 32], goes on to state that the first  
step in improving the FNCFS Program is to change Directive 20-1 by providing  
FNCFS Agencies with a new funding stream that ensures adequate support  
for prevention work (see at p. 35). In discussing the costs and benefits of  
increasing the FNCFS Program’s focus on prevention, the cost estimates  
provided in Wen:De Report Three are outlined, including the $22.9 million for  
new management information systems, capital costs (buildings, vehicles and  
office equipment), and insurance premiums; and, the $86.4 million for annual  
funding needs for such things as an inflation adjustment to restore funding to  
1995 levels, adjusting the funding formula for small and remoteness factors,  
and increasing the operations base amount from $143,000 to  
$308,751(see 2007 Evaluation of the FNCFS Program at pp. 35-36).  
[126] Furthermore, the Panel now adds that this document mentions at page 36 that many  
agencies do not have the capacity to carry out such preventive initiatives within their existing  
funding levels.  
[127] Continuing with the Merit Decision:  
[289] The 2012 evaluation found it was unclear whether the EPFA is flexible  
enough to accommodate provincial funding changes (see AANDC Evaluation  
of the Implementation of the EPFA in Saskatchewan and Nova Scotia at p.  
51). It noted both the Saskatchewan and Atlantic regional offices struggle to  
effectively perform their work given staffing limitations, including staffing  
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shortages, caseload ratios that exceed the provincial standard, and difficulty  
recruiting and retaining qualified staff, particularly First Nation staff  
(see AANDC Evaluation of the Implementation of the EPFA in Saskatchewan  
and Nova Scotia at p. 51). Capital expenditures on new buildings, new  
vehicles and computer hardware were identified as being necessary to  
achieve compliance with provincial standards, but also as making FNCFS  
Agencies a more desirable place to work. However, these expenditures were  
not anticipated when implementing the EPFA and were identified as often  
being funded through prevention dollars (see AANDC Evaluation of the  
Implementation of the EPFA in Saskatchewan and Nova Scotia at p. 49),  
(emphasis added).  
[305] Overall, on the issue of the relevance and reliability of the reports on the  
FNCFS Program, the Panel finds that from the years 2000 to 2012 many  
reliable sources have identified the adverse effects of the funding formulas  
and structure of the FNCFS Program. AANDC was involved in the NPR and  
Wen:De reports, and acknowledged and accepted the findings and  
recommendations in the Auditor General and Standing Committee on Public  
Account’s reports, including developing an action plan to address those  
recommendations. As the internal evaluations and other relevant and reliable  
AANDC documents demonstrate, those studies and reports became the basis  
for reforming Directive 20-1 into the EPFA and, subsequently,  
recommendations to reform the EPFA. It is only now, in the context of this  
Complaint, that AANDC raises concerns about the reliability and weight of the  
various reports on the FNCFS Program outlined above. Moreover, the internal  
documents discussed above support those reports and are AANDC’s own  
evaluations, recommendations and presentations prepared by its high ranking  
employees. For these reasons, the Panel does not accept AANDC’s  
argument that the reports on the FNCFS Program have little or no weight and  
accepts the findings in those reports, along with the corroborating information  
in documents relied on above.  
[344] As indicated above, the provinces’ legislation and standards dictate that  
all alternatives measures should be explored before bringing a child into care,  
which is consistent with sound social work practice as described earlier.  
However, by covering maintenance expenses at cost and providing  
insufficient fixed budgets for prevention, AANDC’s funding formulas provide  
an incentive to remove children from their homes as a first resort rather than  
as a last resort. For some FNCFS Agencies, especially those under Directive  
20-1, their level of funding makes it difficult if not impossible to provide  
prevention and least disruptive measures. Even under the EPFA, where  
separate funding is provided for prevention, the formula does not provide  
adjustments for increasing costs over time for such things as salaries,  
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benefits, capital expenditures, cost of living, and travel. This makes it difficult  
for FNCFS Agencies to attract and retain staff and, generally, to keep up with  
provincial requirements. Where the assumptions built into the applicable  
funding formulas in terms of children in care, families in need and population  
levels are not reflective of the actual needs of the First Nation community,  
there is even less of a possibility for FNCFS Agencies to keep pace with  
provincial operational requirements that may include, along with the items just  
mentioned, costs for legal or band representation, insurance premiums, and  
changes to provincial/territorial service standards, (emphasis added).  
[458] AANDC’s design, management and control of the FNCFS Program,  
along with its corresponding funding formulas and the other related  
provincial/territorial agreements have resulted in denials of services and  
created various adverse impacts for many First Nations children and families  
living on reserves. Non-exhaustively, the main adverse impacts found by the  
Panel are:  
The design and application of the Directive 20-1 funding formula, which  
provides funding based on flawed assumptions about children in care  
and population thresholds that do not accurately reflect the service  
needs of many on-reserve communities. This results in inadequate  
fixed funding for operation (capital costs, multiple offices, cost of living  
adjustment, staff salaries and benefits, training, legal, remoteness and  
travel) and prevention costs (primary, secondary and tertiary services  
to maintain children safely in their family homes), hindering the ability  
of FNCFS Agencies to provide provincially/territorially mandated child  
welfare services, let alone culturally appropriate services to First  
Nations children and families and, providing an incentive to bring  
children into care because eligible maintenance expenditures are  
reimbursable at cost.  
(Merit Decision)  
[128] In response to Canada’s arguments above, the findings reproduced above  
demonstrate that capital infrastructure such as buildings that support the delivery of services  
including prevention services formed part of the evidence before the Tribunal in 2014 which  
led to the Panel’s Merit Decision in 2016. Those findings are broader than just building  
repairs and are included in the Tribunal’s orders to cease the discrimination identified in the  
Merit Decision. This addresses Canada’s argument that it sees a material difference  
between an order to bring buildings up to code and funding Major Capital projects. More  
reasons on this distinction will be discussed below.  
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[129] Subsequently, in 2016 CHRT 10, the Panel highlighted the need to take steps to  
immediately reform the FNCFS Program and related agreements in light of the findings in  
the Merit Decision. This includes references in the Merit Decision to capital and  
infrastructure:  
[2] The Panel generally ordered Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development  
Canada, now Indigenous and Northern Affairs Canada (INAC), to cease its  
discriminatory practices and reform the First Nations Child and Family  
Services (FNCFS) Program and the Memorandum of Agreement Respecting  
Welfare Programs for Indians applicable in Ontario (the 1965 Agreement) to  
reflect the findings in the Decision. INAC was also ordered to cease applying  
its narrow definition of Jordan’s Principle and to take measures to immediately  
implement the full meaning and scope of the principle.  
[4] The Panel advised the parties it would address the outstanding questions  
on remedies in three steps. First, the Panel will address requests for  
immediate reforms to the FNCFS Program, the 1965 Agreement and Jordan’s  
Principle. This is the subject of the present ruling.  
[5] Other mid to long-term reforms to the FNCFS Program and the 1965  
Agreement, along with other requests for training and ongoing monitoring will  
be dealt with as a second step. Finally, the Parties will address the requests  
for compensation under ss. 53(2)(e) and 53(3) of the CHRA.  
[20] The Panel’s main findings with regard to the need to reform and redesign  
the FNCFS Program in the short and long term were summarized at  
paragraphs 384-389 (see also para. 458) of the Decision and include  
(emphasis added):  
[384] Under the FNCFS Program, Directive 20-1 has a number  
of shortcomings and creates incentives to remove children from  
their homes and communities. Mainly, Directive 20-1  
makes assumptions based on population thresholds and  
children in care to fund the operations budgets of FNCFS  
Agencies. These assumptions ignore the real child welfare  
situation in many First Nations’ communities on  
reserve. Whereas operations budgets are fixed, maintenance  
budgets for taking children into care are reimbursable at cost. If  
an FNCFS Agency does not have the funds to provide services  
through its operations budget, often times the only way to  
provide the necessary child and family services is to bring the  
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child into care. For small and remote agencies, the population  
thresholds of Directive 20-1 significantly reduce their operations  
budgets, affecting their ability to provide effective programming,  
respond to emergencies and, for some, put them in jeopardy of  
closing.  
[385] Directive 20-1 has not been significantly updated since  
the mid-1990’s resulting in underfunding for FNCFS agencies  
and inequities for First Nations children and families on reserves  
and in the Yukon. In addition, Directive 20-1 is not in line with  
current provincial child welfare legislation and standards  
promoting prevention and least disruptive measures for children  
and families. As a result, many First Nations children and their  
families are denied an equitable opportunity to remain with their  
families or to be reunited in a timely manner. In 2008, at the time  
of the Complaint, the vast majority of FNCFS Agencies across  
Canada functioned under Directive 20-1. At the conclusion of  
the hearing in 2014, Directive 20-1 was still applicable in three  
provinces and in the Yukon Territory.  
[386] AANDC incorporated some of the same shortcomings of  
Directive 20-1 into the EPFA, such as the assumptions about  
children in care and population levels, along with the fixed  
streams of funding for operations and prevention. Despite being  
aware of these shortcomings in Directive 20-1 based on  
numerous reports, AANDC has not followed the  
recommendations in those reports and has perpetuated the  
main shortcoming of the FNCFS Program: the incentive to take  
children into care - to remove them from their families.  
[387] Furthermore, like Directive 20-1, the EPFA has not been  
consistently updated in an effort to keep it current with the child  
welfare legislation and practices of the applicable  
provinces. Once EPFA is implemented, no adjustments to  
funding for inflation/cost of living or for changing service  
standards are applied to help address increased costs over time  
and to ensure that prevention-based investments more closely  
match the full continuum of child welfare services provided off  
reserve. In contrast, when AANDC funds the provinces directly,  
things such as inflation and other general costs increases are  
reimbursed, providing a closer link to the service standards of  
the applicable province/territory.  
[388] In terms of ensuring reasonably comparable child and  
family services on reserve to the services provided off reserve,  
the FNCFS Program has a glaring flaw. While FNCFS Agencies  
are required to comply with provincial/territorial legislation and  
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standards, the FNCFS Program funding authorities are not  
based on provincial/territorial legislation or service standards.  
Instead, they are based on funding levels and formulas that can  
be inconsistent with the applicable legislation and standards.  
They also fail to consider the actual service needs of First  
Nations children and families, which are often higher than those  
off reserve. Moreover, the way in which the funding formulas  
and the program authorities function prevents an effective  
comparison with the provincial systems. The provinces/territory  
often do not use funding formulas and the way they manage  
cost variables is often very different. Instead of modifying its  
system to effectively adapt it to the provincial/territorial systems  
in order to achieve reasonable comparability; AANDC  
maintains its funding formulas and incorporates the few  
variables it has managed to obtain from the provinces/territory,  
such as salaries, into those formulas.  
[389] Given the current funding structure for the FNCFS  
Program is not adapted to provincial/territorial legislation and  
standards, it often creates funding deficiencies for such items  
as salaries and benefits, training, cost of living, legal costs,  
insurance premiums, travel, remoteness, multiple offices,  
capital infrastructure, culturally appropriate programs and  
services, band representatives, and least disruptive measures.  
It is difficult, if not impossible, for many FNCFS Agencies to  
comply with provincial/territorial child and family services  
legislation and standards without appropriate funding for these  
items; or, in the case of many small and remote agencies, to  
even provide child and family services. Effectively, the FNCFS  
funding formulas provide insufficient funding to many FNCFS  
Agencies to address the needs of their clientele. AANDC’s  
funding methodology controls their ability to improve outcomes  
for children and families and to ensure reasonably comparable  
child and family services on and off reserve. Despite various  
reports and evaluations of the FNCFS Program identifying  
AANDC’s “reasonable comparability” standard as being  
inadequately defined and measured, it still remains an  
unresolved issue for the program.  
[23] The Panel orders INAC to immediately take measures to address the  
items underlined above from the findings in the Decision. INAC will then  
provide a comprehensive report, which will include detailed information on  
every finding identified above and explain how they are being addressed in  
the short term to provide immediate relief to First Nations children on reserve.  
The report should also include information on budget allocations for each  
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FNCFS Agency and timelines for when those allocations will be rolled-out,  
including detailed calculations of the amounts received by each agency in  
2015-2016; the data relied upon to make those calculations; and, the amounts  
each has or will receive in 2016-2017, along with a detailed calculation of any  
adjustments made as a result of immediate action taken to address the  
findings in the Decision.  
(2016 CHRT 10, emphasis in original)  
[130] In 2016 CHRT 16, the Panel specifically addressed certain issues relating to  
infrastructure and capital needs:  
[18] One of the main findings in the Decision is that INAC’s FNCFS Program,  
which flows funding through formulas, Directive 20-1 and the Enhanced  
Prevention Focused Approach (EPFA), provides funding based on flawed  
assumptions about the number of children in care, the number of families in  
need of services, and population levels that do not accurately reflect the real  
service needs of many on-reserve communities. This results in inadequate  
fixed funding for operation costs (capital costs, multiple offices, cost of living  
adjustment, staff salaries and benefits, training, legal, remoteness and travel)  
and prevention costs (primary, secondary and tertiary services to maintain  
children safely in their family homes), hindering the ability of FNCFS Agencies  
to provide provincially/territorially mandated child welfare services, let alone  
culturally appropriate services. Most importantly, inadequate funding for  
operation and prevention costs provides an incentive to bring children into  
care because eligible maintenance expenditures to maintain a child in care  
are reimbursable at cost (see the Decision at paras. 384-389 and 458).  
[19] In 2016 CHRT 10, the Panel ordered INAC to immediately take measures  
to address the assumptions and flaws in its funding formulas, including all the  
underlined items at paragraphs 20 and 23 of that ruling. INAC was to provide  
a comprehensive report explaining how those flaws and assumptions are  
being addressed in the short term to provide immediate relief to First Nations  
on reserve. The Panel’s order also required INAC to provide detailed  
information on budget allocations for each FNCFS Agency and timelines for  
when those allocations will be rolled-out, including detailed calculations of the  
amounts received by each agency in 2015-2016; the data relied upon to make  
those calculations; and, the amounts each has or will receive in 2016-2017,  
along with a detailed calculation of any adjustments made as a result of  
immediate action taken to address the findings in the Decision (see 2016  
CHRT 10 at paras. 20-25).  
[36] The Panel reiterates its immediate relief orders that all items identified in  
paragraph 20 of 2016 CHRT 10, and not limited to the items that were  
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underlined, must be remedied immediately, including the adverse effects  
related to:  
The assumptions about children in care, families in need of services  
and population levels;  
Remote and/or small agencies;  
Inflation/cost of living and for changing service standards; and  
Salaries and benefits, training, legal costs, insurance premiums,  
travel, multiple offices, capital infrastructure, culturally appropriate  
programs and services, and least disruptive measures.  
[43] According to INAC, the issue of funding legal fees, capital infrastructure  
and culturally appropriate programs and services will be addressed as part of  
future reform discussions. Addressing some of these issues may require  
engagement and discussion with First Nations, FNCFS Agencies and  
provincial/territorial governments. According to INAC, unilateral action in  
addressing these important issues would be contrary to the federal  
government's commitment to renew the relationship between Canada and  
Indigenous peoples. INAC adds that immediate relief investments could be  
utilized by FNCFS Agencies to respond to individual community needs for  
culturally based programming and activities.  
[45] For their part, the CCI Parties do not understand why the issue of funding  
legal fees, capital infrastructure and culturally appropriate programs and  
services cannot be addressed at this stage. There are actions that can be  
taken now to alleviate discrimination that fall entirely within federal jurisdiction  
and do not depend on corresponding provincial action, including simply  
adopting and adequately funding applicable provincial/territorial standards  
regarding these issues.  
[49] On the issue of building repairs, the Panel fails to understand why INAC  
cannot address it now, especially where a FNCFS Agency has received a  
notice to the effect that repairs must be done to comply with applicable fire,  
safety and building codes and regulations, or where there is other evidence  
of non-compliance with applicable fire, safety and building codes and  
regulations. Again, while the Panel understands the benefit of having  
discussions on capital infrastructure in the long term, this urgent issue should  
also be addressed immediately. The Panel orders INAC to provide detailed  
information in its compliance report to clearly demonstrate how it is addressing  
this issue. This will form part of the upcoming in-person case management  
meeting.  
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[97] As noted in the Decision, the 1965 Agreement has not provided for the  
cost-sharing of capital expenditures since 1975 and, as a result, many FNCFS  
Agencies in Ontario lack funding to establish infrastructure necessary to  
deliver statutory child protection services (see paras. 244-245). Therefore, as  
part of INAC’s immediate relief investments, which are being coordinated on  
an interim basis outside of the 1965 Agreement, and until the broader issue  
of infrastructure needs under the 1965 Agreement can be fully reviewed,  
INAC should develop an interim strategy to deal with the infrastructure needs  
of FNCFS Agencies. The Panel expects a detailed response from INAC on  
this issue and will discuss the issue with all parties at the upcoming in-person  
case management meeting.  
[157] In the Decision, INAC was ordered to cease its discriminatory practices  
and reform the FNCFS Program and the 1965 Agreement to reflect the  
Panel’s findings and to cease applying its narrow definition of Jordan’s  
Principle and take measures to immediately implement the full meaning and  
scope of Jordan's Principle (see at para. 481). As mentioned above, the CCI  
Parties’ request to update policies, procedures and agreements is captured  
by this general order to reform the FNCFS Program and the 1965  
Agreement in compliance with the findings in the Decision. For clarity, the  
Panel orders INAC to update its policies, procedures and agreements to  
comply with the Panel’s findings in the Decision.  
[158] In addition, to address this general order in the short term, INAC was  
subsequently ordered to immediately take measures to address a number of  
items. As indicated in 2016 CHRT 10 and reiterated in this ruling, those items  
were to be addressed immediately. Again, those items include addressing the  
adverse impacts related to the assumptions about the number of children in  
care, families in need of services and population levels; remote and/or small  
FNCFS agencies; inflation/cost of living; changing service standards; salaries  
and benefits; training; legal costs; insurance premiums; travel; multiple offices;  
capital infrastructure; culturally appropriate programs and services; and, least  
disruptive measures. INAC was then ordered to report back to the Panel to  
explain how those items are being addressed in the short term to provide  
immediate relief to First Nations children on reserve (see 2016 CHRT 10 at  
paras. 20 and 23).  
[160] …  
A. Additional Immediate measures to be taken  
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1. INAC will not decrease or further restrict funding for First Nations child and  
family services or children’s services covered by Jordan’s Principle (see  
paras. 121-123 above);  
2. INAC will determine budgets for each individual FNCFS Agency based on  
an evaluation of its distinct needs and circumstances, including an appropriate  
evaluation of how remoteness may affect the FNCFS Agency’s ability to  
provide services (see paras. 33, 37, 40 and 47 above);  
3. In determining funding for FNCFS Agencies, INAC is to establish the  
assumptions of 6% of children in care and 20% of families in need of services  
as minimum standards only. INAC will not reduce funding to FNCFS Agencies  
because the number of children in care they serve is below 6% or where the  
number of families in need of services is below 20% (see para. 38 above);  
4. In determining funding for FNCFS Agencies that have more that 6% of  
children in care and/or that serve more than 20% of families, INAC is ordered  
to determine funding for those agencies based on an assessment of the actual  
levels of children in care and families in need of services (see para. 39 above);  
5. In determining funding for FNCFS Agencies, INAC is to cease the practice  
of formulaically reducing funding for agencies that serve fewer than 251  
eligible children. Rather, funding must be determined on an assessment of  
the actual service level needs of each FNCFS Agency, regardless of  
population level (see para. 40 above);  
6. INAC is to cease the practice of requiring FNCFS Agencies to recover cost  
overruns related to maintenance from their prevention and/or operations  
funding streams (see paras. 56-61 above); and  
7. INAC is to immediately apply Jordan’s Principle to all First Nations children  
(not only to those resident on reserve) (see paras. 117-118 above).  
(2016 CHRT 16)  
[131] In 2018 CHRT 4, the Panel revisited and considered additional evidence in relation  
to requests to fund actual costs of child and family services. The requests for actual costs  
specifically included the costs of building repairs and also apply more generally to capital  
and infrastructure needs:  
[109] The Caring Society seeks orders that Canada be required to fund legal  
fees, building repairs, intake and investigations, and the child service  
purchase amount based on their actual costs, until the Complainants and  
Canada have agreed upon the appropriate measures necessary to end the  
discriminatory practices. Until such time as the FNCFS Program is reformed,  
the Caring Society submits that funding these expenses based on their actual  
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cost is the only option available to the Tribunal that will ensure that the adverse  
impact of INAC’s funding formulas are not perpetuated. The Caring Society  
adds that Canada has presented no evidence to demonstrate that funding  
these items at actuals would be inappropriate or cause it to experience undue  
hardship.  
[195] This being said, the Panel is encouraged by the steps made by Canada  
so far on the issue of immediate relief and the items that needed to be  
addressed immediately, However, we also find Canada not in full-compliance  
of this Panel’s previous orders for least disruptive measures/prevention, small  
agencies, intake and investigations and legal costs. Additionally, at this time,  
the Panel finds there is a need to make further orders in the best interest of  
children. The orders are included in the order section below.  
[212] Canada has advised that the Program authorities include minor capital  
expenditures. Minor capital expenses may include maintenance and  
repairs/upgrades/renovations to facilities to include compliance with building  
codes. If funds are required, Canada will work with agencies on a case-by-  
case basis to address this issue.  
[213] The Panel considers it is unclear if this practice is now implemented or  
if it will only be implemented in the future. It is also unclear when the funding  
will be made available to agencies that identify the need for building repairs.  
Therefore, the Panel finds it is justified to make a further order to this item of  
immediate relief. The order is included in the order section below.  
[247] Given that Canada has made submissions it will address this as part of  
its long term reform. The Panel finds Canada has unilaterally postponed  
addressing this to the long term even when ordered to immediately address  
it. While Canada complied to stop reducing the agencies’ funding for those  
who serve less than 251 children, the Panel finds Canada not in full  
compliance with its previous orders. This Panel ordered Canada to eliminate  
population thresholds and levels and, to immediately address adverse  
impacts for small agencies who encounter the greatest challenges especially,  
if they are isolated. (see at 2016 CHRT 10 at paras. 20 and 23).  
[248] At this stage, two years after the Decision, the Panel would now be  
reluctant to order anything linked to the Directive 20-1 given it was found  
discriminatory.  
[249] The Panel, pursuant to section 53 (2) (a) and (b) of the CHRA orders  
Canada to analyze the needs assessments completed by First Nations  
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agencies in consultation with the Parties, interested parties (see protocol  
order below), and other experts and to do a cost-analysis of the real needs of  
small First Nations agencies related to child welfare taking into account travel  
distances, case load ratios, remoteness, the gaps and/or lack of surrounding  
services and all particular circumstances they may face.  
[250] Canada is ordered to complete this analysis and report to the Tribunal  
by May 3, 2018.  
[251] The Panel, pursuant to Section 53 (2) (a) of the CHRA orders Canada,  
pending long term reform of its National FNCFS Program funding formulas  
and models, to eliminate that aspect of its funding formulas/models that  
creates an incentive resulting in the unnecessary apprehension of First  
Nations children from their families and/or communities. To this effect, and  
pursuant to Section 53 (2) (a) of the CHRA, the Panel orders Canada to  
develop an alternative system for funding small first nations agencies based  
on actual needs which operates on the same basis as INAC’s current funding  
practices for funding child welfare maintenance costs, that is, by fully  
reimbursing actual costs for these services, as determined by the FNCFC  
agencies to be in the best interests of the child and develop and implement  
the methodology including an accountability framework in consultation with  
AFN, the Caring Society, the Commission, the COO and the NAN (see  
protocol order below), by April 2, 2018 and report back to the Panel by May 3,  
2018.  
[252] The Panel, pursuant to Section 53 (2) (a) of the CHRA, orders Canada  
to cease its discriminatory funding practice of not fully funding the small first  
nations agencies’ costs. In order to ensure proper data collection and to be  
responsive to the real needs of first nations children, the Panel orders  
Canada, to provide funding on actual costs small first nations agencies’ for  
reimbursed retroactive to January 26, 2016 by April 2, 2018. This order  
complements the order above.  
[272] While not all 5 INAC social programs were part of this complaint, and  
recognizing that the Tribunal has limits in terms of adjudicating the claim that  
is before it, a number of comments are worth mentioning. Canada’s practice  
of reallocating funds from other programs is negatively impacting housing  
services on reserve and, as a result, is adversely impacting the child welfare  
needs of children and families on reserve by leading to apprehensions of  
children. This perpetuates the discriminatory practices instead of eliminating  
them.  
[273] The Panel addressed this issue as part of its findings in the Decision and  
identified it was part of the adverse impacts on First Nations children and  
families.  
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[274] This does not mean the Tribunal can now look at all Programs and make  
any type of order outside of its findings for this complaint. This was  
addressed in 2016 CHRT 16 para.61.  
[275] However, the Panel can make orders under section 53 (2) (a) and (b) to  
cease the discriminatory practice and prevent it from reoccurring if it has  
evidence to that effect. This exercise is based on the evidence at the hearing  
on the merits and, new evidence before the Tribunal as part of the motions  
proceedings. Moreover, the current situation in this case is a clear example of  
policy decision-making repeating historical patterns that lead to discrimination  
and that warrant intervention to ensure it is eliminated.  
[276] It is also in the best interest of First Nations’ children and families to  
eliminate this practice as much as possible. Some reallocations may be  
inevitable in Federal government.  
[277] The Panel, pursuant to section 53 (2) (a) of the CHRA, orders Canada  
to stop unnecessarily reallocating funds from other social programs especially  
housing if it has the adverse effect to lead to apprehensions of children or  
other negative impacts outlined in the Decision by February 15, 2018.  
[278] The Panel, pursuant to section 53 (2) (a) of the CHRA, orders Canada  
to ensure that any immediate relief investment does not adversely impact  
Indigenous children, their families and communities by February 15, 2018.  
[279] The Panel, pursuant to section 53 (2) (a) of the CHRA, orders Canada  
to evaluate all its Social Programs in order to determine and ensure any  
reallocation is necessary and does not adversely impact the First Nations  
children and families by April 2, 2018.  
[299] The Panel does not question the need for a multi-pronged  
approach or large and numerous consultations with Canada’s partners.  
The Panel does not dispute that Canada cannot reform the child welfare  
system alone and that it needs to do it with its partners at tripartite tables  
and in other forums.  
[300] The Panel takes issue with the fact that the above was always  
advanced to justify delay, and denials of equitable services leading to  
discrimination. The Panel discussed this at length in the Decision,  
highlighting many politicians and Program Managers saying the same thing  
over and over: we need the provinces at the table, we need to gather  
information, we need to work with our partners, we have to seek approvals,  
other programs may cover this, etc. This has been going on for years, yet the  
Panel found discrimination, (emphasis added).  
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[301] Moreover, this was all argued by Canada at the hearing on the merits  
and the Panel dismissed it. This is precisely one of the reasons why the Panel  
ordered immediate relief so that the long term reform would not prevent  
action now for Indigenous children.  
[302] Another example is, that Canada has argued in its final submissions on  
these motions, that it was working on a number of working tables with the  
AFN, COO and NAN and yet, it is still unclear of what the gaps are.  
[303] The Panel wants to make it clear that discussions with no  
comprehensive plan or specific deadlines attached to it can go on for a very  
long time and seeing these types of arguments is a source of concern. Also,  
as already discussed in the Decision, a piecemeal approach is to be  
discouraged. This rationale applies to all the orders in this ruling.  
[324] The Panel has already found in the Decision that the lack of funding for  
Band Representatives is one of the main adverse impacts of Canada’s  
discrimination, and a way that Canada fails to provide culturally appropriate  
services to First Nations children and families in Ontario (see at paras 392,  
425-426).  
[336] The Panel, pursuant to Section 53 2 (a) and (b) of the CHRA, orders  
Canada to fund Band Representative Services for Ontario First Nations, at the  
actual cost of providing those services retroactive to January 26, 2016  
by February 15, 2018 and until such time as studies have been completed or  
until a further order of the Panel.  
[337] INAC shall not deduct this funding from existing funding or prevention  
funding, until such time as studies have been completed or until a further order  
of the Panel.  
[387] It took years for the First Nations children to get justice. Discrimination  
was proven. Justice includes meaningful remedies. Surely Canada  
understands this. The Panel cannot simply make final orders and close the  
file. The Panel determined that a phased approach to remedies was needed  
to ensure short term relief was granted first, then long term relief, and reform  
which takes much longer to implement. The Panel understood that if Canada  
took 5 years or more to reform the Program, there was a crucial need to  
address discrimination now in the most meaningful way possible with the  
evidence available now.  
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[388] Akin to what was done in the McKinnon case, it may be necessary to  
remain seized to ensure the discrimination is eliminated and mindsets are also  
changed. That case was ultimately settled after ten years. The Panel hopes  
this will not be the case here.  
[389] In any event, any potential procedural unfairness to Canada is  
outweighed by the prejudice borne by the First Nations’ children and their  
families who suffered and, continue to suffer, unfairness and discrimination.  
[410] The Panel, pursuant to Section 53 (2) (a) of the CHRA, orders Canada,  
pending long term reform of its National FNCFS Program funding formulas  
and models, to eliminate that aspect of its funding formulas/models that  
creates an incentive resulting in the unnecessary apprehension of First  
Nations children from their families and/or communities. To this effect, and  
pursuant to Section 53 (2) (a) of the CHRA, the Panel orders INAC to develop  
an alternative system for funding prevention/least disruptive measures, intake  
and investigation, legal fees, and building repairs services for First Nations  
children and families on-reserve and in the Yukon, based on actual needs  
which operates on the same basis as INAC's current funding practices for  
funding child welfare maintenance costs, that is, by fully reimbursing actual  
costs for these services, as determined by the FNCFC agencies to be in the  
best interests of the child and develop and implement the methodology  
including an accountability framework in consultation with AFN, the Caring  
Society, the Commission, the COO and the NAN (see protocol order  
below), by April 2, 2018. and report back to the Panel by May 3, 2018.  
[411] The Panel, pursuant to Section 53 (2) (a) of the CHRA, orders Canada  
to cease its discriminatory funding practice of not fully funding the costs of  
prevention/least disruptive measures, building repairs, intake and  
investigations and legal fees. In order to ensure proper data collection and to  
be responsive to the real needs of first nations children, the Panel orders  
Canada, to provide funding on actual costs for least disruptive  
measures/prevention, building repairs, intake and investigations and legal  
fees in child welfare to be reimbursed retroactive to January 26, 2016 by April  
2, 2018. This order complements the order above.  
[413] Until such time as one of the options below occur:  
1. Nation (Indigenous)-to Nation (Canada) agreement respecting self-  
governance to provide its own child welfare services.  
2. Canada reaches an agreement that is Nation specific even if the Nation  
is not yet providing its own child welfare services and the agreement is  
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more advantageous for the Indigenous Nation than the orders in this  
ruling.  
3. Reform is completed in accordance with best practices recommended  
by the experts including the NAC and the parties and interested  
parties, and eligibility of reimbursements from prevention/least  
disruptive measures/, building repairs, intake and investigations and  
legal fees services is no longer based on discriminatory funding  
formulas or programs.  
4. Evidence is brought by any party or interested party to the effect that  
readjustments of this order need to be made to overcome specific  
unforeseen challenges and is accepted by the Panel.  
[414] The parameters above will also apply to the orders below.  
[415] The Panel also recognizes that in light of its orders, and the fact that  
data collection will be further improved in the future and the NAC’s work will  
progress, more adjustments will need to be made as the quality of information  
increases.  
(2018 CHRT 4, emphasis in original)  
B.  
FNCFS Major Capital Analysis  
[132] The Tribunal set out its initial reasoning in the letter-decision. As indicated in the  
letter-decision, the Tribunal is now providing more detailed reasons.  
[133] One of the major unchallenged findings of this claim is Canada’s systemic  
discrimination through underfunding of the FNCFS Program and narrow interpretation of  
Jordan’s Principle resulting in adverse impacts on First Nations children and families. The  
evidence relied upon by the Panel and that led to this finding included many underfunded  
items in the Directive 20-1 and Enhanced Prevention Focused Approach (EPFA) formulas  
including underfunding capital and infrastructure that are necessary to offer culturally  
appropriate, confidential and safe services to children under provincial laws, which the  
FNCFS Program requires FNCFS Agencies to follow.  
[134] Additionally, the arguments of separation of powers were advanced throughout this  
claim. The Panel’s previous findings on this issue remain unchallenged. While the Panel  
agrees the Tribunal’s role is not that of a policy-decision maker or manager of public funds  
or to infringe on the roles of the executive and legislative powers, the main aspects of the  
 
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complaint affect both public funds and policy in FNCFS services that were found to be  
discriminatory.  
[135] When the Panel found the services to be discriminatory and exercised its statutory  
role to eliminate discrimination and prevent it from reoccurring, one needs to look at the  
discriminatory practice it is trying to redress. In this particular case, the FNCFS Program’s  
underfunding, program authorities, and the FNCFS Program’s formulas were found to be  
discriminatory. This is an important part of the claim before the Tribunal which the Tribunal  
is required to adjudicate under the CHRA. If Canada offers services, it needs to offer them  
in a non-discriminatory manner. This means that it cannot underfund services nor  
perpetuate policies that enable this underfunding including in regard to capital assets. Nor  
can it permit other adverse impacts such as the lack of prevention services on-reserves  
including in the Ontario region.  
[136] Moreover, when the Tribunal heard the claim, Canada already had tripartite tables in  
many regions. It already participated in the National Advisory Committee on First Nations  
Child and Family Services (NAC). It already worked with First Nations including on studies  
such as Wen:De. It already announced publicly that it needed to discuss with First Nations  
partners. It already committed to improving the FNCFS Program and increasing the funding.  
All of this formed part of the evidence before the Tribunal and was carefully considered in  
arriving at its unchallenged findings of systemic discrimination. It is understandable that the  
Panel needs more than a repetition of those same strategies to ensure systemic  
discrimination is eliminated and does not reoccur. Repeating the same patterns of the past  
will not generate sustainable and meaningful change.  
[137] Further, there is ample evidence in the record that First Nations and FNCFS  
Agencies repeatedly expressed their needs, plans and priorities and were not listened to  
(see for example, Merit Decision at paras. 73-74). A more recent and tragic example is what  
happened in Wapekeka First Nation (“Wapekeka”), a NAN community. Wapekeka had  
alerted the federal government, through Health Canada, to concerns about a suicide pact  
amongst a group of young children and youth. This information was contained in a detailed  
July 2016 proposal aimed at seeking funding for an in-community mental health team as a  
preventative measure. TheWapekeka proposal was left unaddressed by Canada for several  
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months with a reactive response coming only after the two youths committed suicide. The  
media response from Health Canada was that it acknowledged it had received the July 2016  
proposal in September 2016; however, it came at an “awkward time in the federal funding  
cycle(see 2017 CHRT 14 at paras. 88-89).  
[138] While this is not a request for funding capital assets, it is a Tribunal finding where  
the community clearly expressed its priority and was provided a financial consideration  
argument instead of a substantive equality response based on needs, in this case urgent  
needs. Therefore, Canada’s argument that it is in discussions to respect the communities’  
plans and priorities is not enough to convince the Panel that Canada is sufficiently  
responsive to its previous findings and orders.  
[139] This being said, the Panel believes it is fair to say that Canada has implemented  
many changes that benefit children. However, Canada’s argument about the Financial  
Administration Act is reminiscent of Canada’s separation of powers argument that the Panel  
has previously rejected (see 2018 CHRT 4 at paras. 45-46). The constant revisiting of  
questions already answered does not assist in convincing the Panel that Canada has  
reformed its old mindset and is implementing real and lasting change for children and  
families.  
[140] Furthermore, the issue of capital is not a surprise for Canada since it was addressed  
in the Merit Decision and formed part of the cease-and-desist orders. Canada keeps  
reminding the Tribunal of the separation of powers to invite restraint. Such restraint does not  
mean the Tribunal has its hands tied concerning funding and policy when the findings and  
discriminatory practices found in this case are precisely the authorities, the underfunding  
and the discriminatory policies Canada argues the Tribunal cannot review. For clarity,  
services need to be offered in safe, appropriate and confidential spaces. This was part of  
the evidence before the Tribunal that led to findings in the Merit Decision. This is part of the  
orders to cease the discriminatory practice and reform the FNCFS Program.  
[141] Moreover,  
Capital expenditures on new buildings, new vehicles and computer hardware  
were identified as being necessary to achieve compliance with provincial  
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standards, but also as making FNCFS Agencies a more desirable place to  
work. However, these expenditures were not anticipated when implementing  
the EPFA and were identified as often being funded through prevention dollars  
(see AANDC Evaluation of the Implementation of the EPFA in Saskatchewan  
and Nova Scotia at p. 49)  
(Merit Decision at para. 289 and 2018 CHRT 4 at para.139).  
[142] Further, the FNCFS Program requires the agencies and communities to deliver  
services in compliance with provincial standards. For the Tribunal, this means that as long  
as a standard is non-discriminatory and in the best interest of the child when viewed through  
an Indigenous, rather than a colonial lens, the provincial standard is appropriate as a floor  
and not a ceiling. Again, standards should respect substantive equality principles based on  
need so that all individuals have an opportunity equal with other individuals to make for  
themselves the lives that they are able and wish to have. This has been the Tribunal’s  
approach from the beginning. At the very least, the services offered should abide by those  
non-discriminatory provincial standards and allow FNCFS Agencies and First Nations to  
offer confidential, safe and culturally appropriate services to children and families. If repairs  
to a building are unable to provide an appropriate space to offer services, an agency and a  
First Nation community should receive sufficient funding to offer those services in new  
buildings. Similarly, if a building’s location or design precludes providing confidential, safe  
and culturally sensitive services, the FNCFS Agency and First Nation are entitled to a  
building capable of providing services in a non-discriminatory manner.  
[143] The Panel accepted the evidence and recommendations in the Wen:De reports and  
said as much in the Merit Decision. The Wen:De reports caution against the use of a  
piecemeal approach to the recommendations. The Panel previously found that Canada took  
a piecemeal approach to implementing needed change and ruled it created adverse impacts  
on children and families.  
[144] The Panel used the terms Capital and Capital Infrastructure in previous decisions.  
The terms Major Capital and Minor Capital are terms Canada used to distinguish between  
the two. Since then, Canada has indicated the FNCFS Program’s Terms and Conditions  
have been amended and this distinction has been removed. For the purposes of this  
decision the Panel will refer to the recent terminology as amended in the FNCFS Program’s  
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Terms and Conditions: “Purchase or construction of capital assets that support the delivery  
of FNCFS services”.  
[145] The issue of the purchase or construction of capital assets that support the delivery  
of FNCFS services was addressed in the Panel’s findings from the beginning and forms part  
of the evidence before it. It is well within the scope of this claim and forms part of the reform  
the Panel is monitoring. Unchallenged orders were already made on the purchase or  
construction of capital assets that support the delivery of FNCFS services in previous  
rulings. The 2018 CHRT 4 orders for building repairs rather than building construction  
recognized the need for further consultation on needs before issuing further specific orders.  
This order did not eliminate previous Tribunal orders. Rather, it considered the need for  
more consultations and this was clearly stated in the ruling (see 2018 CHRT 4 at para. 407).  
[146] Additionally, the Panel did not separate services offered from office space or safe,  
culturally appropriate and confidential buildings in which to offer those services. It is  
erroneous to conclude the Panel made such a distinction. The Panel’s orders always  
focused on specific needs and keeping with substantive equality using provincial standards  
as the floor rather than as the ceiling. This reasoning applies to the Panel’s overall approach  
to all aspects of its orders. As discussed in the Merit Decision and subsequent rulings,  
provincial standards require safe, confidential spaces in which to offer services to First  
Nations children. Furthermore, a piecemeal fragmented approach has been rejected by this  
Panel from the beginning. Similarly, a one size-fits-all approach was also rejected by this  
Panel.  
[147] While the Tribunal agrees that it is up to Canada to decide with First Nations which  
policies and funding authorities are appropriate, it is not up to Canada to decide to continue  
to discriminate in choosing those policies and funding especially if First Nations make  
legitimate requests under the FNCFS Program and demonstrate those requests are not  
met. Further, the IFSD report found funding gaps exist in prevention services, capital,  
salaries and IT infrastructure.  
[148] There are statutory requirements to provide child and family services in secure and  
confidential buildings. Appropriate services are tied to appropriate spaces to receive those  
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services. If those spaces are insufficient, the First Nations agencies and communities are in  
an untenable situation of being forced to either cut services offered to children or offer  
services in subpar and illegal environments. Regardless of the funding formulas and policies  
chosen by Canada, this cannot be the outcome.  
[149] Canada was ordered to remedy this and accepted to do so. The Tribunal is not  
ordering Canada to build offices without consulting First Nations and going through the  
appropriate processes. The Tribunal is ordering Canada to fund those building purchases  
or construction once all processes have been completed and the First Nations approve it.  
[150] The Panel accepts Canada’s argument that orders that require specific infrastructure  
to be built on-reserve without consultation with First Nations would impact other types of on-  
reserve infrastructure (e.g., water, roads, electricity etc.). In this context, decisions for  
building infrastructure on reserve is significantly more complicated than simply funding the  
construction of a building or repairing an existing one. These decisions cannot be made in  
isolation and should take into consideration the community’s priorities and planning already  
in place.  
[151] In so far as the term the purchase or construction of capital assets that support the  
delivery of FNCFS services is used in this ruling, it is focusing on building purchase or  
construction and not infrastructure in a larger sense such as roads and hospitals.  
Additionally, even if buildings are built, the Panel recognizes that this requires consultation  
with First Nations.  
[152] Canada relies on Ontario v. Criminal Lawyers’ Association of Ontario, 2013 SCC 43  
(Ontario v. Criminal Lawyers) to support its separation of powers argument. In that case,  
Karakatsanis J found for the majority that courts do not have the inherent jurisdiction to set  
compensation for amicae curiae or a friend of the court. At its heart, the case addresses the  
constitutional relationship between the independence of the judicial branch of government  
and the administration of justice in the provinces as conducted by the Attorney General on  
behalf of the executive branch of government.  
[153] The majority considered three reasons it was beyond a court’s jurisdiction to direct  
the compensation the Attorney General should pay to amicae curiae. First, the legislature  
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retains authority over the expenditure of funds. While court orders may have ancillary fiscal  
consequences, setting the rate of compensation goes too far. Second, while courts have the  
ability to set the terms necessary to ensure orders appointing amicae curiae are effective,  
that does not require setting compensation. Existing case law demonstrates that it is not  
necessary for courts to fix the rate of compensation for court-appointed counsel. It is similarly  
not necessary because the Attorney General has the constitutional competence to  
administer justice, which it fulfils by, for example, identifying counsel who are prepared to  
accept the amicae curiae appointment at the rate it proposes to pay. Third and finally, courts  
directing the expenditure of significant sums by fixing amicae curiae compensation risk  
imperiling the integrity of the judicial process as these expenditures could only be reviewed  
by appellate courts and not the public accountability mechanisms inherent in the legislative  
and executive branches of government.  
[154] Given these reasons, the majority concluded that, absent statutory authority or a  
constitutional challenge, allowing a court to direct the Attorney General as to how to spend  
funds on the administration of justice exceeded the role of the judicial branch and trespassed  
on the proper role of the executive and legislative branches of government.  
[155] On Canada’s argument on the Ontario v. Criminal Lawyers case, the Tribunal agrees  
it is bound by the Supreme Court decision in this case which clarifies the roles of Superior  
Courts and the need to show restraint in the areas of public spending and policy. The Panel  
also notes there was no Charter or human rights legislation at play in Ontario v. Criminal  
Lawyers as opposed to in Kelso v. The Queen, 1981 171 (SCC), [1981] 1 SCR 199  
at page 207, where the Supreme Court stated:  
No one is challenging the general right of the Government to allocate  
resources and manpower as it sees fit. But this right is not unlimited. It must  
be exercised according to law. The government’s right to allocate resources  
cannot override a statute such as the Canadian Human Rights Act…  
[156] The Panel relied upon Kelso in determining the merits of this case (see Merit Decision  
at para. 42).  
[157] In Canada’s own submissions as part of this motion, Canada acknowledges it has a  
legal obligation under the Charter and the CHRA to ensure any federally funded services  
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are provided in a non-discriminatory manner. This is true and precisely what the Panel has  
ordered and is monitoring. The case at hand can be distinguished from the Ontario v.  
Criminal Lawyers case. In this case, the scope of the claim that informs the Tribunal’s  
jurisdiction under the CHRA, which includes the complaint, the Statement of Particulars, the  
evidence, and the arguments, places underfunding of the FNFCS Program at the forefront  
of the case. The underfunding was found to be racial systemic discrimination causing  
adverse impacts and harms to children and families resulting in mass removal of children  
from their homes, families and communities.  
[158] This case is further distinguishable from Ontario v. Criminal Lawyers because of s.  
66(1) of the CHRA. That section provides that “This Act is binding on Her Majesty in right of  
Canada”. There was no comparable section at issue in Ontario v. Criminal Lawyers.  
[159] Canada expresses concerns that the Tribunal’s exceptional retention of remedial  
authority should not result in detailed management of the case, as cautioned against in  
Doucet-Boudreau v. Nova Scotia (Minister of Education), 2003 SCC 62 at para. 74 (Doucet-  
Boudreau). Similarly, Canada cautions against allowing the scope of remedial issues to  
expand such that the remedial phase becomes a moving target (Entrop v. Imperial Oil Ltd.,  
2000 16800, 50 OR (3d) 18 (OCA) at para. 58).  
[160] The Tribunal already answered these arguments in 2018 CHRT 4. In regard to the  
Doucet-Boudreau case, the Tribunal discussed this was in the context of remedies ordered  
under section 24 of the Charter. As the Panel previously noted in 2018 CHRT 4:  
[22] … The Human Rights Tribunal of Ontario (HRTO) in its analysis relies on  
(Doucet-Boudreau v. Nova Scotia (Minister of Education), 2003 SCC 62)  
which analyzed remedies under section 24 of the Charter.  
[23] The Panel finds that the case at hand and its factual matrix is far more  
complex and far more reaching than the Ball case and therefore it can  
distinguish the Ball case from this case.  
[161] This being said, the Tribunal relied on Doucet-Boudreau in previous decisions and  
believes it applies to this case in many aspects. The Tribunal does not believe its  
management of the case disregards the SCC’s caution in this case. The specific context,  
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evidence and history of this case justified the Panel’s supervision until long-term remedies  
or solutions have been implemented.  
[162] The Panel agreed that the remedial phase ought not to become a moving target  
however, it is not the case here. Capital infrastructure has always formed part of this claim.  
[163] Another important finding in the Merit Decision that is relevant to this issue here and  
provides an answer to Canada’s argument on the requested orders being outside the scope  
of the Tribunal’s jurisdiction is “[t]he failure to coordinate the FNCFS Program and other  
related provincial/territorial agreements with other federal departments and government  
programs and services for First Nations on reserve, resulting in service gaps, delays and  
denials for First Nations children and families(see Merit Decision at paras. 391 and 458).  
[164] The FNCFS Program and also its corresponding funding formulas and other related  
provincial/territorial agreements were found to be discriminatory. Both funding and policy  
are at the heart of the findings in this case. The Tribunal has a statutory quasi-judicial role  
conferred by parliament through quasi-constitutional human rights legislation to eliminate  
discrimination, namely the discrimination it finds in a given substantiated claim and prevent  
it from reoccurring. In this case the discrimination found is underfunding and a need for a  
complete program reform. The Panel has an obligation to parliament, the First Nations  
children and families, and the parties in this case, to fulfill its mandate to ensure the FNCFS  
Program is no longer underfunded no matter what policy is preferred by Canada and that  
the policies and programs fulfill substantive equality standards. The Panel refers to previous  
findings in its unchallenged Merit Decision to summarily illustrate the above:  
[461] Despite being aware of the adverse impacts resulting from the FNCFS  
Program for many years, AANDC has not significantly modified the program  
since its inception in 1990. Nor have the schedules of the 1965 Agreement in  
Ontario been updated since 1998. Notwithstanding numerous reports and  
recommendations to address the adverse impacts outlined above, including  
its own internal analysis and evaluations, AANDC has sparingly implemented  
the findings of those reports. While efforts have been made to improve the  
FNCFS Program, including through the EPFA and other additional funding,  
those improvements still fall short of addressing the service gaps, denials and  
adverse impacts outlined above and, ultimately, fail to meet the goal of  
providing culturally appropriate child and family services to First Nations  
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children and families living on-reserve that are reasonably comparable to  
those provided off-reserve.  
[462] This concept of reasonable comparability is one of the issues at the heart  
of the problem. AANDC has difficulty defining what it means and putting it into  
practice, mainly because its funding authorities and interpretation thereof are  
not in line with provincial/territorial legislation and standards. Despite not being  
experts in the area of child welfare and knowing that funding according to its  
authorities is often insufficient to meet provincial/territorial legislation and  
standards, AANDC insists that FNCFS Agencies somehow abide by those  
standards and provide reasonably comparable child and family services.  
Instead of assessing the needs of First Nations children and families and  
using provincial legislation and standards as a reference to design an  
adequate program to address those needs, AANDC adopts an ad hoc  
approach to addressing needed changes to its program.  
[463] AANDC makes improvements to its program and funding methodology,  
however, in doing so, also incorporates a cost-model it knows is flawed.  
AANDC tries to obtain comparable variables from the provinces to fit them  
into this cost-model, however, they are unable to obtain all the relevant  
variables given the provinces often do not calculate things in the same fashion  
or use a funding formula. By analogy, it is like adding support pillars to a house  
that has a weak foundation in an attempt to straighten and support the house.  
At some point, the foundation needs to be fixed or, ultimately, the house will  
fall down. Similarly, a REFORM of the FNCFS Program is needed in order to  
build a solid foundation for the program to address the real needs of First  
Nations children and families living on reserve.  
(Merit Decision at paras. 461-463).  
[165] The Panel previously found that:  
Not being experts in child welfare, AANDC’s authorities are concerned with  
comparable funding levels; whereas provincial/territorial child and family  
services legislation and standards are concerned with ensuring service levels  
that are in line with sound social work practice and that meet the best interest  
of children. It is difficult, if not impossible, to ensure reasonably comparable  
child and family services where there is this dichotomy between comparable  
funding and comparable services. Namely, this methodology does not  
account for the higher service needs of many First Nations children and  
families living on reserve, along with the higher costs to deliver those services  
in many situations, and it highlights the inherent problem with the assumptions  
and population levels built into the FNCFS Program.  
(Merit Decision at para. 464).  
[166] The Panel previously found that:  
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AANDC’s reasonable comparability standard does not ensure substantive  
equality in the provision of child and family services for First Nations people  
living on reserve. In this regard, it is worth repeating the Supreme Court’s  
statement in Withler, at paragraph 59, that “finding a mirror group may be  
impossible, as the essence of an individual’s or group’s equality claim may be  
that, in light of their distinct needs and circumstances, no one is like them for  
the purposes of comparison”. This statement fits the context of this complaint  
quite appropriately. That is, human rights principles, both domestically and  
internationally, require AANDC to consider the distinct needs and  
circumstances of First Nations children and families living on-reserve -  
including their cultural, historical and geographical needs and circumstances  
in order to ensure equality in the provision of child and family services to  
them. A strategy premised on comparable funding levels, based on the  
application of standard funding formulas, is not sufficient to ensure  
substantive equality in the provision of child and family services to First  
Nations children and families living on-reserve.  
(Merit Decision at para. 465)  
[167] For clarity, the actual costs orders are not the imposition of a particular funding policy.  
Rather they are a remedy to underfunding found in this case. Canada can opt for any type  
of policy as long as it does not perpetuate the discriminatory underfunding. The parties in  
this case apprise the Tribunal on the evolution of the implementation.  
[168] The Panel believes it is helpful to define actual cost in the context of actual costs of  
the purchase or construction of capital assets that support the delivery of FNCFS services  
and federal policy for procurement.  
[169] Actual cost is an accounting term that means the amount of money that was paid to  
acquire a product or asset. It’s exactly what it sounds likethe actual cost. This cost could  
be either a historical, past, or present-day cost of product.  
[170] Paying less than what the actual costs are to deliver services under the FNCFS  
Program was found to be discriminatory in unchallenged decisions from the Tribunal.  
Maintenance costs were reimbursed at actuals while prevention was underfunded leading  
to the mass removal of children from their homes, families and communities.  
[171] The Panel understands from Canada’s position that it is concerned about orders that  
would essentially amount to unlimited funding of unrelated FNCFS Program costs. The  
Panel clarifies that this is not the case with its actual costs’ orders.  
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[172] Furthermore, the Panel is not suggesting that non-discriminatory policies and legal  
processes should not be followed. But these policies and processes cannot be permitted to  
condone discrimination against First Nations in need of buildings to offer child and family  
services including prevention services. Moreover, the term actual costs can be understood  
as fully funded authorized services.  
[173] Moreover, the Panel is not dictating the precise policy or the amount of funds to be  
distributed. The Panel is saying that services ought to be offered in buildings that respect  
provincial legal requirements, that are non-discriminatory, to offer services to First Nations  
children and families as a minimum standard, respect the FNCFS Program authorities that  
do not perpetuate discrimination and also ensure culturally appropriate and safe services. If  
there is a lack of offices and rental spaces to offer services on-reserve the option of purchase  
or construction of buildings to offer those services should be seriously envisioned and fully  
funded.  
[174] The Panel believes the parties in this case should ensure the procurement process  
respects current federal legal and policy procurement requirements but also substantive  
equality, First Nations rights and the Tribunal’s orders.  
[175] Moreover, the actual costs were ordered in 2018 CHRT 4 for a number of items  
addressed in the ruling and previous rulings including prevention services to stop the mass  
removal of First Nations children from their homes, families and communities. This ruling  
was not challenged. Rather, Canada made a clear statement that it would abide by it. See  
also the Consultation protocol signed by Canada’s Ministers. An advanced copy of the ruling  
was provided to the parties and an emergency meeting on FNCFS was held at the same  
period where Minister Philpott qualified the situation in Canada as a humanitarian crisis. A  
six-point plan, including implementing the Tribunal’s orders, was adopted. This information  
forms part of the evidence before the Tribunal.  
[176] The 2018 CHRT 4 ruling included an order for actual costs for FNCFS retroactive to  
the Merit Decision dated January 26, 2016. Additionally, the 2018 CHRT 4 ruling did not  
order Canada to pay specifically for the purchase or construction of buildings. The order was  
more directed at repairs while Canada gathered more information on the purchase or  
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construction of capital assets that support the delivery of FNCFS services (see 2018 CHRT  
4 at paras. 213, 231, 233-236, 408, 410-413). The fact that it was not ordered in this 2018  
ruling does not negate reform orders and previous findings. However, this ruling did  
recognize that more time was required to consult and develop a policy for the purchase or  
construction of capital assets that support the delivery of FNCFS services. The Panel  
adopted a balanced approach where it accepted the need for more consultation and studies  
in order to develop options for funding the purchase or construction of capital assets that  
support the delivery of FNCFS services. This being said, three and a half years have passed  
since then and the Panel is informed that discussions are ongoing and that no clear deadline  
has been set for the completion of those consultations and studies aside from a timeline for  
Phase 3 of the IFSD report. Insufficient explanation has been provided for cases where the  
First Nation community is exercising its self-government inherent right and requesting the  
construction of a building to offer child and family services or Jordan’s Principle services and  
where all requirements have been met including Canada’s involvement (i.e. a shovel ready  
project) and have not been given the funding and the green light or sufficient funding to offer  
those services in new buildings. According to the evidence and Canada’s reply submissions,  
Canada has updated and expanded the FNCFS Program’s Terms and Conditions. They  
now allow for greater flexibility and expansion on eligibility for expenditures, including  
expenditures related to capital/building repairs, the purchase or construction of capital  
assets (e.g. buildings), and the purchase and maintenance of information technology  
equipment.  
[177] Therefore, despite previous cross-examinations of Canada’s witnesses and their  
evidence relied upon by Canada and properly put before this Panel, it is no longer accurate  
to consider the purchase or construction of capital assets that support the delivery of FNCFS  
services as only forming part of the Community Infrastructure program. The recent updated  
Terms and Conditions filed in evidence reflect this change.  
[178] Furthermore, the administrative structure of Federal programs working in silos within  
the federal government and within the INAC department, now ISC was already found in the  
Merit Decision to be discriminatory in creating gaps in services to First Nations children and  
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families and the source of numerous disputes between federal departments for Jordan’s  
Principle cases.  
[179] This structure is a governmental choice in the way it functions and administers  
programs. Since the Merit Decision, INAC became ISC and a major merger and  
reorganization was made. While it may have addressed some issues identified in the Merit  
Decision, the Panel is still presented with arguments from Canada that show the silo mindset  
is still present. In Canada’s submissions responding to the purchase or construction of  
capital assets that support the delivery of FNCFS services motion, a focus is made on the  
Community Infrastructure Program instead of the FNCFS Program and its Terms and  
Conditions or the findings made in the Merit Decision. The Panel was clear in the Merit  
Decision that reform needed to be informed by the findings in the Merit Decision. Major  
Capital was part of those findings.  
[180] The Panel’s flexibility should not be viewed as retreating from its original findings but  
rather as a recognition that Canada maneuvers in a complex situation and should be allowed  
some flexibility as long as it makes non-discriminatory policy choices in a reasonable  
timeframe that do not repeat historical patterns that lead to discrimination. Otherwise, the  
Tribunal may intervene to eliminate the discrimination it has found (see 2018 CHRT 4 at  
para. 275).  
[181] This flexibility is shown in 2018 CHRT 4 when the Panel agreed to postpone specific  
orders for a funding formula on the purchase or construction of capital assets that support  
the delivery of FNCFS services to the long-term phase, accepting the need for further  
consultations and studies. However, the Panel believed that in applying substantive equality  
principles, Canada would be responsive to specific needs of FNCFS Agencies and First  
Nations and would approve those funds while it develops a new funding formula in the long  
term. Further, to get a better understanding of this, one can review the previous rulings and  
understand that specific needs and substantive equality are central to the Panel’s rulings.  
Additionally, Canada’s arguments that were considered for 2018 CHRT 4 gave an  
impression of momentum given the emergency meeting. The Panel established deadlines  
to complete the FNCFS specific needs assessments and amended its timeline following  
Canada’s request. Those timelines were to be met in 2018.  
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[182] As recently expressed in a letter, the Panel notes it has now been over 3 years and  
this issue is still pending thus the need to have adequate interim processes in place in terms  
of capital assets. The Panel recognizes and is familiar with the legal and social context in  
which buildings are built on reserves and the need to respect First Nations inherent rights.  
No one can act unilaterally, not Canada, not this Tribunal, not the FNCFS Agencies.  
However, when a project is “shovel ready”, which means the consultations and the analysis  
of all relevant considerations have been completed between the First Nation and Canada,  
and the First Nation requests construction of a building to enable the First Nation to offer  
services to their children, there is no reason to delay it. If construction is delayed, it creates  
a number of negative outcomes: delays or denies services to children that could be offered  
in a safe, confidential, legal and appropriate space; denies the First Nations inherent right  
to self-government for the benefit of a unilateral decision imposed by Canada; perpetuates  
the harms identified in the decision and does not comply with the Tribunal’s orders to cease  
the discriminatory practices identified in the Merit Decision.  
[183] The Tribunal highlighted these consequences in 2018 CHRT 4 at paras. 272-273:  
While not all 5 INAC social programs were part of this complaint, and  
recognizing that the Tribunal has limits in terms of adjudicating the claim that  
is before it, a number of comments are worth mentioning. Canada’s practice  
of reallocating funds from other programs is negatively impacting housing  
services on reserve and, as a result, is adversely impacting the child welfare  
needs of children and families on reserve by leading to apprehensions of  
children. This perpetuates the discriminatory practices instead of eliminating  
them.  
The Panel addressed this issue as part of its findings in the [Merit] Decision  
and identified it was part of the adverse impacts on First Nations children and  
families.  
(see 2016 CHRT at para. 273).  
[184] Keeping with the spirit of 2018 CHRT 4 at paragraphs 294 to 297, the same  
reasoning applies to any item identified in previous decisions and in need of reform. While  
studies and data may need to be collected for optimal results, years are going by and  
important changes are outstanding. The Panel finds that delaying construction projects that  
are ready to go until all studies have been completed is unhelpful to the communities that  
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welcome change now. This is the equivalent of a one-size-fits-all approach that the Panel  
has already rejected. Funding based on need respecting substantive equality requires  
funding shovel ready projects while Canada consults and completes studies. FNCFS and  
Jordan’s Principle spaces should be available to offer services to children. If those spaces  
are not available, this prevents the services being offered. This is the equivalent of a denial  
of services to children and this perpetuates the discrimination found in the Merit Decision.  
[185] The Panel now believes that Canada is attempting to relitigate those previous  
unchallenged rulings to obtain a different outcome which is unfair to the proper  
administration of justice and to the complainants and the children and families they represent  
who were successful in this case.  
[186] The Panel shares Canada’s need for finality ending with long-term reform  
settlements or orders, whether on consent or otherwise. This needs to be done in a  
reasonable timeframe and cannot remain open-ended forever as part of this Tribunal  
process. However, Canada’s assertion that there is no evidence of ongoing discrimination  
is simply not true. Canada’s own affiants admit that they are still gathering information to  
inform long-term changes. The Panel was clear from the beginning about three necessary  
phases to reform and eliminate the systemic discrimination found: immediate, mid-term and  
long-term relief followed by a complete reform until this is done, systemic discrimination  
harming First Nations children and families continues. The Panel finds there is a need to  
establish a clear deadline to ensure timely movement forward.  
[187] Canada argues that based on recommendations from the CCCW, Canada has also  
increased the funding threshold within the FNCFS Program from $1.5 million to $2.5 million  
for agencies to use their available funds on the purchase or construction of capital assets  
that support the delivery of FNCFS services, which would help account for inflation and other  
pressures. As communicated to the CCCW, agencies can use the increased Budget 2018  
funding (ramp-up & remoteness allocations) or any surpluses they may have for capital  
expenditures. Capital-related expenses are also eligible for communities under the  
Community Well-being and Jurisdiction Initiatives.  
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[188] Canada is implementing these immediate relief efforts, and has firmly committed  
itself to respecting these orders, while working on a long-term capital plan. The Panel  
recognizes that this may assist some FNCFS Agencies and First Nations in the immediate  
term, while it may not be sufficient for others. The Panel reiterates the needs-based funding  
approach. A needs-based analysis will show if Canada’s current approach is sufficient for a  
given First Nation or not and when it is insufficient, funding should reflect the need rather  
than a model or one-size-fits-all approach. Lorri Warner’s March 4, 2020 affidavit at exhibit  
7A provides more clarity as to how this cap is to be utilized. The total capital costs of a  
project cannot exceed $2.5 million per FNCFS Agency per fiscal year. A FNCFS Agency  
may incur costs for more than one project per fiscal year; multiple FNCFS Agencies can  
share the costs of a project and still be eligible for a maximum of $2.5 million each (i.e. per  
FNCFS Agency) per year; and FNCFS Agencies may work with other partners that are not  
eligible recipients under this FNCFS Program and still spend the maximum of $2.5 million  
per year. Furthermore, the document provides three examples as to how the cap may be  
applied. The document also includes minimum Common Program Requirements and other  
requirements that need to be met in order for any of these listed expenditures to be deemed  
eligible for funding.  
[189] This additional information is favorable to Canada as opposed to a firm $2.5 million  
cap with less information. In fact, it may very well be sufficient to address some FNCFS  
Agencies’ needs, especially for some small agencies that need adequate space to support  
the delivery of services. On this point, the Panel believes it is necessary to make a further  
order for Canada to be sufficiently responsive to the systemic discrimination and to clarify  
that small agencies that are ready to proceed ought to be funded at actuals for the purchase  
or construction of buildings that support the delivery of FNCFS services. The same  
reasoning applies for all FNCFS Agencies regardless of their size. Some may be able to  
share space with others and cost-share. The Panel understands the benefit of such an  
approach but in other cases, it may not be possible. A blanket policy that excludes all small  
agencies from accessing the purchase or construction of buildings is not respecting  
substantive equality principles. The good administration of public funds is respected when  
the real needs are considered and inform the substantive equality analysis. Moreover, the  
same applies on the issue of funding the actuals costs for administration and governance,  
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prevention, intake/investigation, and legal services at their actual cost, the Panel clarifies  
this is already covered under the 2018 CHRT 4 orders. The Panel believes that such a  
clarification is helpful moving forward.  
[190] For other FNCFS Agencies the current cap and other flexibility such as the  
reallocation of surpluses may very well be insufficient. For the latter, the Panel confirms  
they are covered under previous substantive equality/needs-based orders including the  
orders in this ruling. This being said, the Panel understands the need for requirements prior  
to a purchase or construction on-reserve.  
[191] In that regard, the exhibit 7A document referred to above, specifies that in alignment  
with ISC’s Capital Facilities and Maintenance Program and First Nation Infrastructure Fund’s  
minimum requirements, any building purchases, new builds, or major renovations of  
buildings will meet the following requirements: the project will be supported by a Band  
Council Resolution, Tribal Council Resolution or other documentation indicating support  
from the governing body of a self-governing First Nation; the project will have a well defined  
and formally approved scope of work, schedule and budget; a qualified project manager  
acceptable to the FNCFS Agency (and band or tribal council if a joint project) will be  
appointed to manage the implementation of the project; a feasibility study will be carried out  
in advance of construction of the project commencing when deemed necessary by the  
FNCFS Agency; the project will be designed to meet all the applicable federal, provincial  
and territorial codes and standards for the design, construction and operation of similar  
physical assets, and in accordance with departmental level of service standards, as may be  
amended from time to time; where the total estimate cost of the project exceeds $50,000 or  
is not within the competence of a technician/technologist, the design of the project will be  
approved and so certified by a professional engineer or architect licensed to practice as  
such in the province/territory where the facility is to be constructed; and the project will be  
inspected and certified for compliance with applicable regulatory requirements by qualified  
inspectors at the various stages. Further the document includes additional details that are  
instructive:  
6.3 Other Capital Expenditures - Building-Related Capital Proposals  
(Excluding Building Repairs)  
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The Capital Facilities and Maintenance Program (CFMP) within ISC is the  
main pillar of the Government of Canada’s efforts to support community  
infrastructure for First Nations on reserve. CFMP exists to support the  
planning, management and building of infrastructure on reserve in a safe  
manner. While it will be the responsibility of the FNCFS Program to assess  
the eligibility of capital proposals for FNCFS Program funding, CFMP will be  
involved in reviewing building-related capital proposals (purchases, new  
builds and major renovations) from a technical perspective to support ISC’s  
ongoing effort to:  
• maximize the life cycle of physical assets;  
• mitigate health and safety risks;  
• ensure assets meet applicable codes and standards; and  
• ensure assets are managed in a cost-effective and efficient  
manner.  
CFMP will pre-approve these capital proposals before the FNCFS Program  
flows any funding. These projects will have to be submitted using CFMP’s  
formal project proposal template. Once FNCFS receives pre-approval from  
CFMP, ensuring that all legislative and regulatory, guidelines and codes have  
been adhered to, FNCFS will approve funding should the project meet all  
other criteria as stated in this document.  
[192] This is an example of what the Panel means when it uses the terms legal processes,  
requirements or processes in this ruling. The Panel does not propose to bypass those  
requirements unless their interpretation perpetuate discrimination.  
[193] The document specifies that:  
* CFMP, if needed, will work with the FNCFS agency to:  
provide expertise in the area of engineering, architecture etc.;  
analyze and/or revise scope of project;  
assist in establishing project management arrangements; and  
update financial information (project quote)  
**FNCFS Program and CFMP will work closely throughout the project;  
however, FNCFS Program officials will remain the final decision maker on all  
aspects of the project. Note: Departmental employees will provide advice and  
guidance to FNCFS agencies throughout this process.  
(emphasis ours).  
[194] The history in this case and the evidence demonstrate that when Canada applies  
criteria and uses discretion, it is not necessarily using a substantive equality lens responsive  
to real needs of First Nations children and families.  
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[195] Consequently, a needs-based, focused approach is necessary. The Panel  
recognizes that Canada allows case-by-case requests to come forward which is appropriate  
in the sense of responding to specific needs. However, there is no indication that once the  
need is established and all legal requirements for purchase or construction are fulfilled, a  
higher amount than the funding cap of $2.5 million will be authorized. The Panel is not  
convinced that Canada feels legally obligated to fully fund building purchase or construction  
on reserve over the imposed cap when there are insufficient, if any, funds in the FNCFS  
Agencies’ surpluses, and no possibility to join with another agency. The same reasoning  
applies to First Nations communities under the Community Well-being and Jurisdiction  
Initiatives.  
[196] However, the exhibit referred to above does not address the Community Well-Being  
and Jurisdiction Initiative. Simply said, when the needs exceed the current FNFCS Program  
authorities, Canada points to the infrastructure program as potentially addressing those  
needs which have been determined to be a priority for the First Nation. There is insufficient  
evidence to demonstrate that this is fully responsive to eliminate the systemic discrimination  
found. Moreover, as discussed earlier in this decision, the infrastructure program was  
reviewed by the Auditor General who found community infrastructure deteriorated at a faster  
rate. In the Auditor General’s view, AANDC’s budgeting approach for the FNCFS Program  
is not sustainable and needs to minimize the impact on other important departmental  
programs. This approach is problematic.  
[197] Canada recognizes that a better understanding of long-term capital needs for First  
Nations Child and Family Services is needed and notes consultation on this issue is ongoing  
at the CCCW. Canada argues it is imperative that First Nations communities have a voice  
in discussions concerning the process for capital planning and expenditures. The Panel  
agrees. However, this cannot be the reason to delay or deny funding for when a First Nation  
or FNCFS Agency has followed the requirements and voiced its needs and awaits action.  
[198] It is noteworthy to mention that Canada’s short submissions mention relying on past  
affidavits and reports filed with the Tribunal. However, those submissions do not discuss the  
evidence in great detail even if the Panel provided multiple opportunities to add comments  
if needed. This is not to say that the evidence before the Tribunal is unhelpful. Rather it is  
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simply that it may have been useful to provide some clarifications. For example, Canada’s  
reply indicates a change in the Terms and Conditions suggesting movement from the  
original position outlined in their initial submissions. This also corroborates the Caring  
Society’s account of the evolution of the issue, identified gaps and suggested changes  
discussed at the CCCW and subsequent modifications to the Terms and Conditions (see  
Lorri Warner’s affidavit dated January 29, 2019 at exhibit 1 and Ms. Johanne Wilkinson’s  
affidavit at Exhibit 9) that now include the purchase and construction of buildings for the  
delivery of services as eligible expenditure under the FNCFS Program and joins those terms  
and conditions to the materials.  
[199] However, on March 4, 2020, Canada filed materials to respond to the Panel’s  
broader requests that expand outside this motion by way of submissions and another  
affidavit from Lorri Warner. On February 26, 2021, Canada provided a response to the  
Tribunal's questions on the materials it should consider for the major capital, small agencies  
and band representatives motions:  
On behalf of the parties (as specified in the final paragraph below), we write  
further to the Tribunal’s correspondence of February 18, 2021  
(“Correspondence”). In the Correspondence, the Tribunal indicated it was  
seeking to confirm the submissions and evidence from the parties in relation  
to the issues of major capital for the FNCFS Program, Jordan’s Principle,  
Band Representative services and downward scaling of funding for small  
agencies.  
Further to the Tribunal’s query, Canada confirms its submissions and affidavit  
from March 4, 2020, were specifically in response to the Tribunal’s request for  
information. While relevant to the issue of major capital, the submissions and  
evidence filed in September 2020 provide updated reporting in that regard.  
In addition to the clarification from Canada above, the Tribunal is seeking a  
response from the parties in respect of three questions posed - those  
questions have been reproduced below and the response of the parties follow:  
1. Whether the submissions and evidence in the Caring Society’s letter and  
the subsequent submissions and evidence identified [above] accurately  
reflect the parties’ submissions on this issue.  
The parties have reviewed their records of submissions and evidence. It is  
agreed the detailing of the submissions and evidence by the Tribunal in the  
Correspondence is exhaustive.  
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2. Whether there are any parties’ submission, not already on the list provided  
by the Caring Society, from around March and April 2020 that are pertinent to  
this motion. 3. Whether there are any parties’ submission, not already on the  
list provided by the Caring Society, from around March and April 2020 that are  
pertinent to this motion.  
The list of parties’ submissions appended to the correspondence of the Caring  
Society dated September 1, 2020, is complete.  
3. Whether there are any outstanding matters related to major capital on which  
the parties have yet to make submissions.  
The parties agree no further submission in relation to major capital are  
required. Out of an abundance of caution, the parties wish to confirm that they  
consider that the Institute of Fiscal Studies and Democracy’s Phase 2 report,  
filed by the AFN on September 11, 2020, is properly before the panel and can  
be considered on this motion. However, the parties do not have additional  
submissions to make on the IFSD’s work in relation to this motion.  
[200] At the Panel’s request, the parties provided a letter including a chart of the documents  
they were relying on as part of this motion. The letter is dated September 1, 2020. In the  
chart, Canada does not indicate it is relying on Lorri Warner’s March 4, 2020 affidavit.  
However, Canada in its April 24, 2020 response to the Panel’s questions and the COO’s  
submissions made submissions on capital and relied on Lorri Warner’s March 4, 2020  
affidavit. Further, the NAN relies on that affidavit for the issue of Band Representative  
Services which will be addressed below. The Panel has chosen to consider the evidence  
contained in this affidavit as this information provides additional details and demonstrates  
somewhat greater scope for funding capital costs than Canada’s evidence had previously  
disclosed. Having reviewed this evidence, the Panel would have reached the same result  
regardless of whether it considered this evidence in its analysis. The Panel’s full  
consideration of this evidence will hopefully benefit the parties as they work to remedy the  
discriminatory practices in this case and comply with the Panel’s orders.  
[201] Lorri Warner’s March 4, 2020 affidavit attached the Programs’ Terms and Conditions  
that are also found in previous affidavits. Moreover, little is said to assist the Panel in  
interpreting those Terms and Conditions. Some relevant parts are reproduced below for  
ease of reference.  
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[202] The Terms and Conditions list a number of the Tribunal’s orders in 2016 CHRT 10  
concerning multiple offices and capital infrastructure:  
funding deficiencies for items such as salaries and benefits, training, cost of  
living, legal costs, insurance premiums, travel, remoteness, multiple offices,  
capital infrastructure, culturally appropriate programs and services, band  
representatives and least disruptive measures.  
[203] The reasons for this order are first explained in depth in the Merit Decision.  
[204] The Terms and conditions also provide the relevant detailed information reproduced  
here:  
The FNCFS program is now intended to emphasize the use of preventive,  
early intervention and least intrusive measures in order to respond to child  
maltreatment (abuse or neglect), support for family preservation and well-  
being, maintenance of family, cultural and linguistic connections for children  
in care, former children in care (post-majority), and community wellness using  
a community supported approach. It also promotes a collaborative  
relationship between communities and agencies. The introduction of a new  
funding stream within FNCFS for Community Well-being and Jurisdiction  
Initiatives (CWJI) is designed to enable projects of up to five years in duration  
to expand the availability of prevention and well-being initiatives that are  
responsive to community needs, and to support First Nations in developing  
and implementing jurisdictional models.  
With program reform, services under the FNCFS program will be provided on  
the basis of substantive equality to address the specific needs and  
circumstances of First Nations children and families living on-reserve –  
including their cultural, historical and geographical needs and circumstances  
in a manner that accounts for cost drivers related to inflation and increased  
needs or numbers of children in care and their families. The program also  
needs to provide paramountcy to the safety and best interest of the child. In  
order to provide equal opportunity and achieve equitable results and  
outcomes, the program supports variations in service requirements and  
methods of service provision.  
Fixed and flexible funding approaches through contribution agreements are  
available for the FNCFS program, as described in the Directive on Transfer  
Payments (Appendix K: Transfer Payments to Aboriginal Recipients). CWJI  
projects will also be managed through multi-year contribution agreements.  
The CWJI is a funding stream of FNCFS, whereas the FVPP is a distinct but  
complementary program.  
FNCFS Agencies:  
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Eligible Initiatives and Projects  
Infrastructure Purchase, Maintenance and Renovations  
Purchase or construction of capital assets (e.g. buildings) that support  
the delivery of FNCFS services;  
Operations, minor maintenance (e.g. general repairs, painting,  
plumbing, minor electrical);  
Renovations/repairs to the building structure, structural foundations,  
etc.;  
Repair/replacement of roofing, siding etc.;  
Repairs replacement of Heating system, Cooling system, Ventilation  
system, Electrical  
system, Water system, Plumbing system, Back-up generators, etc.;  
Repairs/replacement to/of the floors;  
Repairs/repainting to/of the walls, ceiling, etc.;  
Repairs/replacement to/of windows, doors, etc.;  
Repairs/renovations to the toilets, bathrooms;  
Repairs/renovations to the kitchen (including replacement of  
cupboards, counters, etc.);  
Repairs/renovations to storage space;  
Repairs/renovations related to improved indoor environmental quality  
including:  
o Air quality (e.g. vent replacement),  
o Thermal comfort (e.g. replacement of thermostats),  
o Acoustics (e.g. wall insulation),  
Community Well-being and Jurisdiction Initiatives:  
Infrastructure Purchase, Maintenance and Renovations  
Capital costs for:  
Purchase or construction of capital assets (e.g. buildings) that  
support the delivery of FNCFS services;  
Purchase and maintenance of vehicles suitable for the  
transportation of children and families support the delivery of  
FNCFS services;  
Purchase and maintenance of information technology equipment  
and systems that are tailored to child and family services delivery.  
Operations, minor maintenance (e.g. general repairs, painting,  
plumbing, minor electrical);  
Janitorial and ground maintenance services.  
(emphasis added)  
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FNCFS Agencies  
Funding for prevention, protection, maintenance, legal services, child service  
purchase amounts, intake and investigations, building repairs, as well as for  
agency operations costs for small FNCFS agencies, is based on the actual  
needs of the children and families served by FNCFS agencies, as reflected  
by expenditures in these categories.  
Community Well-being and Jurisdiction Initiatives  
Funding for CWJI projects is determined at the regional level based on the  
specific needs, circumstances and goals of the community, as well as on the  
nature and duration of the activities described in the project proposal.  
Notwithstanding the above, for FNCFS, costs for maintenance will continue to  
be reimbursed based on actual costs incurred. In addition, the Department will  
reimburse actual costs for the following expenses when agencies have not  
already received funding through another federal program (including another  
program of Indigenous Services Canada), or any provincial, territorial, or  
municipal government funding source for that activity:  
prevention;  
intake and investigations services;  
legal fees;  
building repairs;  
full eligible agency operations costs for small agencies; and,  
child service purchase costs.  
The six areas above are those the Tribunal has ordered the program to pay  
on actuals. A detailed National Recipient Guide detailing how recipients may  
claim retroactive costs in these areas has been shared with recipients to  
support them in accessing funds as ordered by the Tribunal.  
(emphasis ours).  
[205] This indicates that Canada views that the Tribunal has not yet ordered the program  
to pay actuals for the purchase or construction of buildings to support the delivery of services  
under the FNCFS Program. This is technically true when relying on 2018 CHRT 4 orders  
focusing on building repairs and using the term actual costs. The 2018 CHRT 4 ruling  
allowed more time for studies for capital costs with the emphasis of determining needs for  
children and families served by FNCFS Agencies without rescinding previous capital  
infrastructure orders, nor derogating from the need for substantive equality and the need to  
be responsive to specific needs of children, families and communities on-reserve. This  
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means if a case is made for the purchase or construction of a building to support the delivery  
of child and family services, the purchase or construction should be fully funded once all  
legal requirements have been met. Nothing in the Panel’s rulings suggest services should  
be deficient due to a lack of adequate buildings to offer those services. This is not  
substantive equality or even responsive to provincial or territorial standards. It is Canada  
that has decided to respond to First Nations children through different programs. The  
Tribunal found this siloed way of operating forms part of the systemic discrimination  
experienced by children in light of gaps and a lack of being responsive to the real needs of  
children and families. If Canada so chooses to divide Indigenous services in different  
programs and this divide continues to adversely impact children, families, this is far from  
compliance with the cease-and-desist orders made by the Tribunal. Children risk being  
transported outside the reserves to obtain services. This defeats the purpose of the orders.  
It is for Canada to holistically analyze the First Nations children and families’ specific needs  
as already ordered including lack of spaces to offer services.  
[206] Furthermore, if there is a need for additional building purchase or construction that  
are to offer services under the FNCFS Program on-reserve it should be fully funded once  
all legal requirements to acquire or build property on-reserve have been met. It is not  
acceptable for the Tribunal at this stage to receive simple answers such as we are  
discussing with our partners, other programs may offer this, etc. At this stage, the Panel  
requests evidence that child and family services are fully funded in line with the best  
evidence available at this time, that spaces to offer those services are available and, if not,  
that timely solutions are implemented. If a First Nation or agency is unresponsive after  
Canada’s due diligence to consult them and obtain their needs and supported by evidence,  
this is not on Canada. If a First Nation or agency is responsive and makes a case for  
additional space to offer FNCFS and Canada delays this by simply referring to another  
program such as the infrastructure program or directing the requestor to wait until the  
completed IFSD study or wait until Canada has discussed with all First Nations, this is  
inappropriate and it is on Canada. Finally, the latter amounts to non-compliance with the  
cease-and-desist orders, immediate relief orders, 2018 CHRT 4 needs analysis orders and  
perpetuates systemic discrimination.  
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[207] This being said, the Terms and Conditions do include the purchase and construction  
of buildings. The analysis to use is one of substantive equality:  
In this respect, the reasonableness of a particular cost will be established by  
determining whether the expense was: necessary to ensure substantive  
equality and the provision of culturally-appropriate services, given the distinct  
needs and circumstances of the individual child and his or her family, including  
their cultural, historical and geographical needs and circumstances, for  
instance, by taking into account any needs that stem from historical  
disadvantage and the lack of on-reserve and/or surrounding services;  
deemed by the recipient to be necessary for the best interest of  
the child;  
generally recognized as normal and necessary for the conduct of  
the activity; and,  
aligned with restraints and requirements of generally accepted  
accounting  
principles,  
arm's  
length  
bargaining,  
federal/provincial/local laws and regulations, and/or Certified  
Accountant terms.  
[208] The lack of agreement on this issue and on the interpretation of the Panel’s previous  
orders resulting in the need for adjudication confirmed by the parties support a clarification  
order on this issue. Moreover, Canada has not convinced the Tribunal it will fully fund  
‘’shovel ready’’ projects approved by First Nations communities at this time. Canada’s  
evidence and submissions indicate a desire to continue ad hoc measures and delays until  
the IFSD phase 3 is completed at an uncertain time. More importantly, Canada while relying  
on this study to delay some funding, does not commit to follow the IFSD’s recommendations.  
[209] Canada submits it would be inappropriate to rely solely on the IFSD report for an  
expenditure of such a large sum of money. Canada seeks to work collaboratively with the  
other parties to enable the FNCFS Program to make the strongest possible case for new  
funding. Canada has identified a number of factors not considered in the report such as the  
funding from the 2018 Budget. While helpful, the IFSD report does not provide the requisite  
comprehensive understanding of the broad needs of all FNCFS Agencies. The uptake on  
capital funding to-date does not support the magnitude of investment found to be required  
by the IFSD report.  
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[210] In response to this argument, the Panel clarifies that Canada is not ordered to commit  
to implement the IFSD reports 1 and 2 or the IFSD’s phase 3 final recommendations at this  
time. Canada can choose to demonstrate an even more comprehensive funding model  
respecting First Nations children, families, communities and Nations’ rights if it develops one  
in a timely manner. Otherwise, this study’s process could very well resemble what has  
happened with Wen:De that led to this extremely long litigation. For those reasons, the Panel  
believes it has to intervene to fulfill its quasi-judicial mandate to eliminate the racial and  
systemic discrimination found.  
[211] On August 1, 2018 ISC provided a “Discussion Paper – Addressing Capital Needs”  
(See Tab 9 of the Caring Society’s motion record dated February 4, 2019) that outlined  
current policy authorities, interim authority under the revised Terms and Conditions, and  
future policy authorities, including a need to return to Cabinet to support Major Capital  
projects. A list of expanded minor capital expenditures was attached to the discussion paper.  
[212] The discussion paper supports Canada’s submissions dated January 29, 2019 on  
capital indicating that the purchase or construction of capital assets that support the delivery  
of FNCFS services above $1.5 million exceed the FNCFS Program authorities and that ISC  
is paying building repairs in compliance with 2018 CHRT 4 orders.  
First Nations Children and Family Services (FNCFS) Program has received  
requests for minor capital expenditures (e.g. expansions), and major capital  
projects above $1.5 million (e.g. building long-houses, community-centres,  
safe-houses on reserve, creating group homes for keeping children in care  
close to the community), which are outside of the current FNCFS Program  
authorities. As of February 1, 2018, Indigenous Services Canada is paying  
building repairs based on actuals (including reimbursements of expenditures  
dated back to Jan. 26, 2016).  
In the short-term, FNCFS is currently working to clarify and expand the list of  
eligible expenditures under minor capital through the interim Terms and  
Conditions. The program is also seeking to learn more from the data collected  
by the Institute of Fiscal Studies and Democracy (IFSD)’s (July 10, 2018  
presentation) on agency capital needs. As the work of IFSD continues  
towards developing a new funding methodology, the Program is prepared to  
discuss what capital may be needed by agencies moving forward.  
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[213] Canada submits it has been and continues to approve requests for building repairs.  
As of January 11, 2019, Canada has approved $9.4 million in claims for building repairs. In  
Canada’s reply from May 2019, relying on the affidavit of Joanne Wilkinson dated April 16,  
2019, at para. 49, this number had increased to $15.4 million. Without context this number  
may look impressive. However, numbers alone without the full context do not satisfy the  
Tribunal’s need to ensure systemic discrimination, including underfunding, is eliminated.  
Canada has adopted an approach of announcing funding and publicly stating that it is  
complying with the Tribunal’s orders when this is not always the case (see 2018 CHRT 4 at  
paras. 106-107, 135-158). Moreover, allocating funds without calculating needs first is not  
sound financial practice. Furthermore, past financial trends emanating from the FNCFS  
Program informing Treasury Board were found to be discriminatory. In other words, the  
Panel found that the real needs of children and families and FNCFS Agencies were not fully  
taken into account, the FNCFS Program funding formulas informing the FNCFS Program  
authorities were flawed causing adverse impacts to children and families, and FNCFS  
Agencies amounting to harm. Provincial and territorial standards were not met even if this  
was a FNCFS Program requirement. Culturally appropriate services were not fully provided.  
Other social programs supposedly addressed gaps, yet this was also found to be inaccurate  
given the lack of coordination between departments. It is also reasonable to believe that if  
ISC did better in other social programs, it would have used this productive method to  
improve the FNCFS Program and efficiently address the systemic discrimination it was  
ordered to remedy. Consequently, relying on past financial trends that amount to  
discrimination is not and should not be the only way to inform Treasury Board and Budget  
allocations. Therefore, the Panel rejects Canada’s argument that funding at actual costs  
does not work well with government funding that relies on certainty which is not provided by  
a direction to fund actual costs. This is precisely why the Panel ordered Canada to determine  
the real service needs of children and families so as to inform non-discriminatory funding  
moving forward and ordered Canada to create new funding baselines that have no built-in  
discrimination and respect substantive equality. This is the reasoning behind actual costs  
orders. A paradigm shift is needed to balance the need for certainty for government to  
effectively manage public funds with avoiding the perpetuation of systemic discrimination by  
basing this certainty on past trends that were significantly flawed.  
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[214] One approach to such a paradigm shift was suggested at the August 2, 2018 CCCW  
meeting:  
a. Dr. Blackstock stated that the Discussion Paper failed to address the major  
issue related to the need for new space for increased staff and prevention  
programs, and that a firm commitment that authorities would be extended to  
cover major capital projects was required.  
b. Ms. Isaak advised that ISC required a full grasp of FNCFS Agency capital  
needs in order to build the best case for adding major capital authorities.  
c. Dr. Blackstock reiterated her concerns that ISC’s requirement of a “full grasp” of  
FNCFS Agency capital needs would forestall projects that were already ready to  
proceed.  
(Tab 9 of the Caring Society’s motion record dated February 4, 2019).  
[215] The Panel believes ISC’s proposed approach at the August 2, 2018 CCCW meeting  
is an appropriate way to proceed as long as it is not delayed for years for FNCFS Agencies  
and First Nations communities that are ready to proceed now. Building funding costs were  
ordered in 2016. The Panel agreed in 2018 with the proposal for timely consultation and  
discussions. However, the proposed deadline for the Panel’s consideration was not 2022 or  
even later. Nor was a policy contemplated that would similarly delay immediate needs  
identified by a FNCFS Agency or community in order to build a case for Treasury Board.  
[216] Further, the Panel rejects Canada’s scope and jurisdiction arguments given that  
Canada failed to apply the appropriate case-specific and human rights lens and for failing to  
account for the very core of the claim, the systemic discrimination found and ordered to  
cease and desist in this case is not conditional to making a case for Treasury Board nor  
does it allow Canada to hide behind this approval process to avoid the Tribunal’s orders. A  
section 15 or 16 of the CHRA defence was not advanced in this case (see Merit Decision at  
para. 27). While the Panel does not deny the need to respect the Financial Administration  
Act, the Treasury board process and discretionary decisions from the executive should be  
harmonized with Canada’s human rights responsibilities and liability.  
[217] This being said and as it will be demonstrated below, ISC officials were in active  
discussions in order to improve their services and did make some significant changes to  
their authorities to reflect the voiced needs of FNCFS Agencies and communities.  
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[218] At the September 5, 2018 CCCW meeting:  
a. Dr. Gideon advised that while the First Nations Inuit Health Branch has  
authority for major capital projects on reserve, those authorities have been  
narrowed over the years to be specific to health centres.  
b. Ms. Isaak advised that ISC was determining which FNCFS Agencies  
operate in owned space as opposed to leased space.  
c. Ms. Isaak advised that in 2007, Treasury Board rescinded the general  
requirement that minor capital projects be limited to under $1.5 million and  
stated that each program must create their respective authority. The former  
INAC simply adopted the $1.5 million threshold for minor capital projects, with  
some programs having increased it. All parties agreed that the $1.5 million  
threshold was insufficient for actual needs for new space.  
d. The Caring Society suggested applying an inflation adjustment to the minor  
capital threshold adopted following the change to the Treasury Board directive  
in order to restore lost purchasing power.  
e. Ms. Isaak raised the possibility of setting an assessment process to  
ascertain which FNCFS Agencies require significant and imminent work, as  
well as a capital needs assessment of all FNCFS Agencies to be performed  
to have a better understanding and comprehensive picture of current and  
projected costs.  
[219] On October 1, 2018, the Caring Society provided feedback to ISC regarding its  
Capital Options Discussion Paper (Tab 2).  
[220] The Panel notes the discussion paper mentions under Eligible Expenses:  
• To date based on IFSD and discussions with agencies, new Terms and  
Conditions could include the purchase, construction or development of capital  
needed to support program service delivery to keep children out of care and  
with their families in their communities (e.g. Anishinaabe Child & Family  
Services new building due to the community being displaced).  
[221] At the October 23, 2018 CCCW meeting:  
a. Canada advised that the threshold for capital projects under the Terms and  
Conditions had been increased from $1.5 million to $2.5 million to account for  
inflation, and that the Terms and Conditions had eliminated a reference to  
major capital projects as opposed to minor capital projects.  
b. The increase of the capital threshold from $1.5 million to $2.5 million would  
be accompanied by a directive on capital, so that further changes to the  
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threshold would not require a Treasury Board process. The draft directive on  
capital would be provided to the CCCW for review.  
c. Chiefs of Ontario identified that the August 1, 2018 Discussion Paper  
regarding capital options was only directed to FNCFS Agencies, which  
excluded communities that wanted to deliver prevention services themselves,  
as well as communities with band representative programs.  
[222] On October 30, 2018, Ms. Wilkinson (ISC ADM of ESDPP) wrote to Dr. Blackstock  
explaining the specific information that ISC requires in order to move forward on capital  
requirements (Tab 3)  
[223] At the November 19, 2018 CCCW Meeting:  
a. ISC provided a cost estimate development for Jordan’s Principle Renewal  
table that identified $38.4 million in funds allocated to infrastructure (Tab 4)  
[224] At the December 11, 2018 CCCW Meeting:  
a. Ms. Wilkinson advised that a communique to FNCFS Agencies regarding  
the update to the Terms and Conditions on the matter of capital was under  
development and that a draft would be circulated to the CCCW for comment.  
[225] On December 15, 2018, IFSD provided its final report, which concluded that:  
a. Nearly 60% of FNCFS Agencies indicated a need for capital repair and  
investment;  
b. FNCFS Agency Information Technology needs are funded on average at  
1.6% of the FNCFS Agency’s budget, which is severely underfunded when  
compared to the industry standard of approximately 5-6%;  
c. There is a need for a one-time capital investment of $116 million to $175  
million for FNCFS Agency headquarters facilities, with recommended further  
budgeting of 2% annual recapitalization rate, for FNCFS Agency  
headquarters facilities; and  
d. Across the FNCFS Program, pursuant to industry standards, the annual  
Information Technology expenditure should be $65 million to $78 million.  
[226] On January 16, 2019, Ms. Wilkinson advised the parties that the FNCFS Program  
Terms and Conditions would not contain a cap or limit on capital funding, and that the  
forthcoming directive on capital would set a limit of $2.5 million for capital infrastructure  
projects that are outside of the projects that can be claimed through the actuals process.  
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[227] On January 18, 2019, Ms. Wilkinson provided the parties with the FNCFS Program  
Terms and Conditions that were approved in December 2018. The Terms and Conditions  
list “Purchase or construction of capital assets (e.g. buildings) that support the delivery of  
FNCFS services” as an “eligible expenditure” for FNCFS Agencies. On January 21, 2019,  
an email was sent to all FNCFS agencies noting the updated First Nations Child and Family  
Services Terms and Conditions, now in effect. A copy of the Terms and Conditions are  
attached to Ms. Johanne Wilkinson’s affidavit as Exhibit 9. This information on Terms and  
Conditions is also mentioned as part of Canada’s reply submissions dated May 30, 2019  
and in Ms. Lorri Warner’s affidavit dated Marc 4, 2020 at exhibit 6 B.  
[228] In her affidavit, dated April 16, 2019, Ms. Joanne Wilkinson at para. 10 (i), mentioned  
the email exchanges and discussions at the CCCW:  
Canada acknowledges the comprehensive survey work undertaken by IFSD  
with First Nations Child and Family Services agencies across the country. The  
report is a good starting point for providing valuable information on agencies'  
needs and key gaps, and is a helpful piece of research to be considered in  
moving towards a new funding methodology. However, it did not include a full  
analysis of existing program funding as it only focuses on 2017-2018 financial  
information of agencies. For example, Budget 2018 investments and actuals  
are not included in the analysis nor are there any comparisons with other  
systems/models. The report also did not propose options for a new funding  
methodology or a funding approach. More work is needed to reflect the  
impacts of Budget 2018 investments and the payment of actuals for First  
Nation agencies, and to ensure a comprehensive approach to developing a  
new funding methodology.  
[229] Insofar as Canada relies on Ms. Wilkinson’s affidavit to support the need for more  
work before a new funding methodology is developed, the Panel agrees. However, it does  
not support refusing to fully fund ready to proceed purchase or building projects under the  
FNCFS Program. The Panel agrees more work was needed and this informs the reason  
why an IFSD phase 2 report was initiated. An email from Ms. Wilkinson to Andrea Auger  
found at tab 9 of the Caring Society’s motion material support the idea that Canada relies  
on the IFSD studies to develop a new funding methodology and update its funding.  
Moreover, the purpose identified in the IFSD final report is to respond to the CHRT ruling to  
define and cost need in First Nations Child and Families services.  
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[230] Canada filed a letter with the Tribunal on October 11, 2018 indicating that on April 9,  
2018, Canada outlined IFSD's research which would involve the following four  
phases/timelines:  
• Phase 1, Needs Assessments: analyze existing needs assessments by April  
15, 2018 and develop an indicators table to inform needs analysis by July 31,  
2018; ·  
• Phase 2, Baseline Definition and Gap Analysis: develop a baseline of  
agency resource inputs, define a detailed costing procedure, and identify  
missing data by September 30, 2018;  
• Phase 3, Cost Analysis: undertake a cost analysis for each type of agency  
by November 2, 2018; and  
• Phase 4, Final Reports: develop a final report and make recommendations  
to support a new funding approach: November 15, 2018.  
[231] As of September 2018, agency participation rate increased to 75%. This letter  
attached Phase 1 and 2 of the IFSD report as Appendixes A and B.  
[232] The IFSD report indicates that 3 FNCFS Agencies required a new building. The IFSD  
report mentions the need for recognition of differences: Agencies come in different sizes,  
with different mandates, capacities, and experiences. New funding architectures should  
meet agencies where they are now and support them as they meet their future goals. There  
is no single approach that can best support agencies (no cookie cutter approach). This is  
consistent with the Tribunal’s previous reasons.  
[233] On September 11, 2020 the AFN filed the final IFSD report.  
[234] The Panel accepts further analysis is needed for long-term relief and for the  
development of a new funding methodology. However, this analysis must be completed in  
a timely manner and not take years. Canada’s actions must address the urgency of the  
humanitarian crisis identified in 2018. For clarity, this does not mean that FNCFS Agencies  
and communities that have completed all legal and non-discriminatory policy requirements  
and are ready to proceed and indicate as much must wait for this phase 3 report.  
[235] The Panel also understands the need for an open and transparent contracting  
process, given the scale of funding and that this is an unanticipated new phase in the  
research (Affidavit of Johanne Wilkinson dated April 15, 2019, at para. 10).  
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[236] Canada is also moving forward on long-term reform initiatives such as the enacted  
legislation, an Act respecting First Nations, Inuit and Métis children, youth and families, SC  
2019, c 24, for enabling First Nations to exercise jurisdiction over child and family services.  
Canada submits this is a critical element of the Government of Canada's six points of action  
to address the overrepresentation of Indigenous children and youth in care in Canada,  
(Affidavit of Johanne Wilkinson dated April 15, 2019, at para. 63).  
[237] This ruling and orders are necessary given that the Act respecting First Nations, Inuit  
and Métis children, youth and families only refers to funding in the Preamble and does not  
guarantee adequate funding according to specific needs of Nations. While the legislation  
refers to substantive equality, no link is made between funding according to need and  
substantive equality in the obligations. The Panel will possibly revisit this with the parties’  
assistance as part of the long-term phase and reform implementation. This being said, the  
Panel believes that if sustainable and adequate funding is provided to First Nations who  
decide to exercise jurisdiction over child and family services, it is the best possible outcome  
for those children, families and Nations. This option is included in 2018 CHRT 4 orders.  
[238] Six points of action are:  
1. Continuing the work to fully implement all orders of the Canadian Human  
Rights Tribunal, and reforming child and family services including moving to a  
flexible funding model  
2. Shifting the programming focus to prevention and early intervention  
3. Supporting communities to exercise jurisdiction and explore the potential  
for co-developed federal child and family services legislation  
4. Accelerating the work of trilateral and technical tables that are in place  
across the country  
5. Supporting Inuit and Métis Nation leadership to advance culturally-  
appropriate reform  
6. Developing a data and reporting strategy with provinces, territories and  
Indigenous partners.  
[239] Progress on point of action 1 as described by Canada and retrieved in August 2021  
and reviewed on October 6, 2021:  
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Canada has begun implementing the orders of the Canadian Human Rights  
Tribunal (CHRT) issued on February 1, 2018. Canada has:  
been funding First Nations Child and Family Services Agencies for  
their actual costs in the areas ordered by the CHRT, as part of  
Canada's ongoing efforts to provide agencies with the funding they  
need to meet the best interests and needs of First Nations children and  
families, retroactive to January 2016  
Worked with the Assembly of First Nations to contract the Institute for  
Fiscal Studies and Democracy (IFSD) at the University of Ottawa to  
analyze FNCFS agency needs to inform the development of an  
alternative funding system  
been providing funding to stakeholders in Ontario for the  
reimbursement of costs related to mental health services for First  
Nations children and youth retroactive to January 2016  
been providing funding to bands and Ontario for the reimbursement of  
costs related to the provision of Band Representative Services  
retroactive to January 2016  
Canada has formed a Consultation Committee on Child Welfare (CCCW)  
Reform. This committee is co-chaired by the Assembly of First Nations and  
the First Nations Child and Family Caring Society of Canada and is comprised  
of senior assistants and assistant deputy ministers from Indigenous Services  
Canada (ISC) and all parties of the tribunal. Early accomplishments of this  
committee include the development of a protocol to govern consultations  
between Canada and the CHRT complainants and interested parties with a  
goal towards eliminating discrimination against First Nations children.  
Canada is also working with the Ontario Technical Table on Child and Family  
Well-Being on an Ontario special study, and with Nishnawbe Aski Nation to  
develop a remoteness quotient for First Nations delegated agencies in  
Northern Ontario.  
Since 2016, the Government has made available $679.9 million to Jordan's  
Principle to help with health, social and education services that are needed  
right away. Examples of this include mental health supports, medical  
equipment, speech therapy, educational supports and more.  
As of June 19, 2018, the eligibility criteria for Jordan's Principle have been  
expanded to include non-status Indigenous children ordinarily resident on-  
reserve. This expansion is an important step towards improving the well-being  
of Indigenous children, their families and communities.  
In 2018, a 24/7 national call centre was established for Jordan's Principle  
which provides another channel for First Nations children to access the  
products, services and supports they need. As of November 26, 2018, a total  
of 2,809 calls have been received, resulting in 849 requests for services.  
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ISC supported the September 2018 Assembly of First Nations Jordan's  
Principle Summit in Winnipeg, Manitoba. The summit provided First Nations  
leadership, families and community members the opportunity to join together  
with health practitioners and service providers, among others, to share  
lessons learned and promising practices for the implementation of Jordan's  
Principle to date, as well as to discuss shared priorities and their vision for the  
future of Jordan's Principle.  
In addition to progress made on Jordan's Principle and reforming First Nations  
child and family services, on September 10, 2018, Inuit Tapiriit Kanatami and  
ISC announced that the immediate health, social and education needs of Inuit  
children would be responded to and addressed through an Inuit-specific Child  
First Initiative. Meanwhile, the Government of Canada continues to work with  
Inuit partners, provinces and territories to develop a long-term Inuit-specific  
approach to better address the unique health, social and education needs of  
Inuit children.  
[240] Canada submits it would be inappropriate and unreasonable for the Tribunal to  
intervene at this stage. Such an intervention would represent a departure from the Tribunal’s  
statutory role as an adjudicator of a specific complaint. The Panel disagrees with this  
argument given that capital infrastructure that supports the delivery of FNCFS services  
including buildings has always formed part of the claim and the Tribunal’s findings.  
Furthermore, at the hearing on the merits, the Panel heard specific evidence on some  
agencies’ service delivery challenges and their desire to save their surpluses to have  
enough funds to purchase a building that would be appropriate. Moreover, adequate funding  
for purchase or construction of buildings that support the delivery of services was not  
included in the FNCFS Program authorities.  
[241] Moreover, the Panel ensures it does not infringe on any First Nations inherent rights  
by requesting Canada to respect their wishes. In other words, the Tribunal does not impose  
anything on a First Nation. Rather, it emphasizes that when a First Nation has voiced that  
they need funding to purchase or build space (buildings) to offer services to children under  
the FNCFS Program or Jordan’s Principle, Canada should honor this request and not  
respond we need to consult each and every First Nation before we grant funding for the  
purchase or construction of capital assets that support the delivery of FNCFS services to a  
specific First Nation and or agency working with the consent of a First Nation.  
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[242] Furthermore, at paragraphs 8 and 9 of Canada’s May 30, 2019 submissions confirm  
the ad hoc nature of the status quo for requests for the purchase or construction of capital  
assets that support the delivery of FNCFS services within the FNCFS Program. Where  
capital requests are not tied to the Tribunal’s February 1, 2018 orders regarding funding at  
actuals, capital requests may only be funded where FNCFS Agencies have surpluses,  
sufficient remoteness/ramp-up funding from Budget 2018, or where a capital project is  
approved through the Community Well-being and Jurisdiction Initiatives funding stream (see  
cross-examination of Joanne Wilkinson, dated May 14, 2019 at pp 76-79).  
[243] Paragraphs 10-12 and 16-17 of Canada’s May 30, 2019 submissions demonstrate  
that Canada has no concrete plan to address FNCFS Agencies’ purchase or construction  
needs in the near-term. The submission is similar regarding purchase or construction needs  
in the near-term for Jordan’s Principle which will be discussed further below.  
[244] The Panel agrees with the Caring Society’s following conclusions that Canada cites  
the need for further “discussions” on long-term capital needs and for leveraging expertise  
outside of the FNCFS Program (See Canada’s May 30, 2019 submission at paragraphs 6  
and 10). This is the same vague response that has been given over and over again since  
the Caring Society raised the matter of Major Capital at the June 22, 2018 CCCW meeting.  
In fact, this approach is consistent with Canada’s overall approach to capital needs within  
the FNCFS Program in the 19 years since the National Policy Review recommended action.  
In 2000, the Joint National Policy Review (“NPR”), concluded as Recommendation #13 that:  
DIAND and First Nations need to identify capital requirements for FNCFS  
agencies with a goal to develop a creative approach to finance First Nation  
child and family facilities that will enhance holistic service delivery at the  
community level. (See Summary statement regarding major capital at para 3,  
see Tab 9 of the Caring Society Motion Record dated February 4, 2019).  
[245] Further, the Panel accepted the NPR’s report and findings in the Merit Decision.  
[246] Yet, the First Nations parties to this proceeding have not been calling for more  
“discussions” with Canada as a precursor to Canada funding the purchase or construction  
of capital assets that support the delivery of FNCFS services. This is reflective of what has  
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happened in this case and forms part of the discrimination identified in the Merit Decision  
(see Merit Decision at para. 157).  
[247] The Caring Society is concerned that, without specific orders, progress on meeting  
FNCFS Agencies’ Major Capital needs (which have not been addressed within the FNCFS  
Program since 1991 and which reflect an area for immediate relief) will continue to be mired  
in “discussions” and “requests for information”. More importantly it imperils the effectiveness  
of the Tribunal’s orders related to the provision of prevention services to communities as  
absent suitable buildings to house prevention services, these services will be difficult if not  
impossible to provide. The Panel finds this is precisely the heart of the issue here in need of  
the Tribunal’s intervention to eliminate the discrimination identified in the Merit Decision and  
subsequent rulings absent any consent order proposed by the parties on this point.  
[248] The Caring Society submits that given Canada’s slow progress on implementing  
immediate relief measures after the January 26, 2016 decision, progress on the purchase  
or construction of capital assets that support the delivery of FNCFS services ought to be  
made alongside progress on long-term reform, and not be required for long-term reform to  
be fully implemented (see Tab 1 to the Summary statement regarding Major Capital, see  
Tab 9 of the Caring Society Motion Record dated February 4, 2019).  
[249] The Panel shares this concern. The orders proposed by the Caring Society are  
broadly worded and could be clarified with the parties’ assistance. They speak to funding for  
FNCFS Agencies for feasibility studies, for preparatory work for projects, and for the projects  
themselves. They do not state who is to be consulted in conducting feasibility work, what  
sources of funding are to be used to carry out projects, or how projects are to be  
administered. As such, the Panel agrees that, contrary to Canada’s arguments at  
paragraphs 5, 10-17, 19, 24 and 32 of its May 30, 2019 submissions, nothing in the orders  
sought by the Caring Society requires existing programs or First Nations decision-making  
to be bypassed.  
[250] Further, when the Panel made general orders to cease the discrimination, leaving  
some flexibility to Canada or allowed more time for discussions, the history in this case  
shows that there was insufficient movement to eliminate the systemic discrimination. One  
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example is the FNCFS Program capital assets not forming part of the orders in February  
2018 and the need to address this now with orders specific to address this lack of movement.  
[251] The Panel also agrees with the Caring Society that it is unclear why Canada’s  
submissions assume that feasibility studies would not take First Nations community priorities  
and needs into account, in fact that would be one of the main goals or why they allege that  
the capital envelope requested by the Caring Society would operate outside of the  
Community Infrastructure Branch. Moreover, the Tribunal does not intend to impose its own  
estimation of community needs. On the contrary, the Panel has always requested needs-  
based and community-informed data to inform reform. This allows for the realization of  
tailored projects responsive to specific needs of children and families when the Nations are  
ready instead of a one-size-fits-all top-down approach or a wait till all Nations have been  
consideredapproach causing unnecessary delays for those who are ready to move ahead  
now.  
[252] Since the motion on the purchase or construction of capital assets that support the  
delivery of FNCFS services was brought before the Tribunal, Canada indicated that on  
September 5, 2018, the CCCW determined a gap existed in the infrastructure authorities,  
which could be addressed by amending the Terms and Conditions. Canada has since  
amended the FNCFS Program’s Terms and Conditions to include the purchase or  
construction of capital assets (e.g. buildings) that support the delivery of FNCFS for First  
Nations children. Moreover, the purchase or construction of capital assets (e.g. buildings) is  
now included as an eligible expenditure for FNCFS Agencies.  
[253] In addition, the Terms and Conditions also include infrastructure purchase,  
maintenance and renovations as eligible expenditures under the CommunityWell-Being and  
Jurisdiction Initiative. Furthermore, Canada has also advised of the introduction of a new  
funding stream within FNCFS for Community Well-being and Jurisdiction Initiatives, which  
is designed to enable projects of up to five years in duration to expand the availability of  
prevention and well-being initiatives that are responsive to community needs, and to support  
First Nations in developing and implementing jurisdictional models.  
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[254] This is a positive step, furthermore, the Panel has no issue with Canada’s argument  
that it should be given time to follow the democratic structures in place to ensure the  
accountability of public funds. However, time must be balanced with First Nations children’s  
human rights and the obligation to eliminate systemic discrimination. Further, three and a  
half years have now passed since the 2018 ruling and no concrete plan has been presented  
to the parties on this issue. The parties did not agree on this issue and required adjudication  
of the matter. The Panel agrees with Canada that not every disagreement is discrimination.  
However, especially given the history in this case, there is a need to look at the root cause  
of the disagreement itself and assess if it is a matter of difference of opinion or approach or  
if it is linked to the discriminatory practices found in this case that are insufficiently remedied.  
[255] The Caring Society, the AFN, the COO and the NAN recently confirmed the need for  
further orders. Moreover, adverse impacts linked to this issue were identified in the 2016  
Merit Decision and subsequent rulings. The Tribunal agrees with Canada that finality is  
needed. However, the Panel reiterates that this is appropriate once long-term reform has  
been settled or ruled upon, hopefully in the near future. The Panel’s statutory role is to  
ensure the discrimination found is eliminated and does not reoccur. The Panel believes in  
keeping with its approach in this case (see 2018 CHRT 4 at para. 303) that a further specific  
order is required to ensure the systemic discrimination is eliminated in a timely fashion.  
[256] While this motion’s proceedings were ongoing, the parties requested the Tribunal to  
issue a consent order concerning communities that are not served by a FNCFS Agency and  
instead receive child and family services through a provincial or territorial agency or service  
provider. While the FNCFS Agencies are directly funded by ISC for the services they deliver,  
the provincial or territorial agencies and service providers receive their funding from the  
provincial government, who in turn seeks reimbursement from the federal government. The  
Caring Society requested an order that children and families served by these provincial and  
territorial agencies, rather than a FNCFS agency, were within the scope of the Tribunal’s  
remedial orders. Accordingly, the Panel released the 2021 CHRT 12 consent order on the  
Caring Society’s motion. The orders in this ruling take these communities into consideration.  
Additionally, unlike other regions, the First Nations communities in Ontario have requested  
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to receive funding for the support and delivery of FNCFS directly. Canada has agreed with  
this approach. This also was considered in the crafting of the orders.  
[257] Since the Panel released its letter-decision, the Tribunal has received new  
information concerning the implementation of the plan referred to in the 2021 CHRT 12  
consent order. While this was not before the Panel to inform its ruling in August 2021, this  
information indicates that capital infrastructure funds are included in the funding plan for  
communities who do not have FNCFS Agencies. As the Panel is providing reasons for its  
previous decision, it did not request additional submissions from the parties on this issue.  
Therefore, it does not make a finding as part of this ruling. This being said, the Panel notes  
that this new implementation plan may be responsive to the Panel’s orders in 2021 CHRT  
12 and this ruling.  
[258] Overall, Canada submits it is in substantial compliance with all existing orders. A  
substantive amount of work has been completed to achieve compliance and significant  
resources have been devoted to satisfying the orders now, retroactively, and moving forward  
(Affidavit of Johanne Wilkinson dated April 15, 2019, at para. 62).  
[259] Canada also adds that the Tribunal's adjudication of this matter has had a  
transformative impact on the lives of Indigenous children in Canada (Affidavit of Johanne  
Wilkinson dated April 15, 2019, at para. 65). The Panel appreciates this acknowledgment.  
While much has been done, more work remains to be done for Canada to be sufficiently  
responsive in eliminating the systemic discrimination found. In 2018, the Panel considered  
its ruling closed the immediate relief phase unless its orders are not implemented or more  
adjustments need to be made to its orders as the quality of information increases. The Panel  
stated it can now move on to the issue of compensation and long-term relief (see 2018  
CHRT 4 at para. 385).  
[260] Therefore, the Panel finds that a further clarification order is necessary to ensure the  
purchase and construction of capital assets that support the delivery of FNCFS on-reserve  
including prevention services are appropriately funded. Furthermore, feasibility studies and  
needs assessments may assist as a first step in that regard.  
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Orders for purchase and/or construction of capital assets that support  
the delivery of FNCFS on-reserve including prevention services.  
Order  
Pursuant to section 53(2) of the CHRA the Tribunal orders Canada to:  
Fund all FNCFS Agencies including small agencies and/or First  
Nations at actual costs for the purchase of capital assets that  
support the delivery of FNCFS to children on-reserve including  
in Ontario and in the Yukon and advise the FNCFS Agencies  
and First Nations in writing within 30 days of this order advising  
them on how to access this Capital asset funding. Canada will  
post this information on the ISC website.  
For the construction of capital assets, the Tribunal orders  
Canada to fund the actual costs of projects that support the  
delivery of FNCFS to children on-reserve including in Ontario  
and in the Yukon that are ready to proceed advising them in  
writing on how to access the capital assets funding within 30  
days of this order. Canada shall post this information on the ISC  
website.  
The Tribunal orders Canada in consultation with the CCCW, to  
provide funding for FNCFS Agencies and First Nations to  
conduct capital needs and feasibility studies regarding the  
purchase and/or construction of capital assets that support the  
delivery of FNCFS services on-reserve. This also includes  
studies for First Nations that also operate under the Federal  
FNCFS Program off-reserve such as Ontario.  
*The above orders recognize First Nations inherent rights to  
self-government and that this Tribunal cannot force First  
Nations that are not a party to these proceedings to do anything.  
The above orders recognize that complex processes must be  
followed in order to be ready to proceed to build on reserve and  
that this cannot be done unilaterally by FNCFS Agencies,  
Canada or by order of this Tribunal. Consequently, the  
purchase and construction orders above only include projects  
that are ready to proceed.  
C.  
Capital to Support the Implementation of Jordan’s Principle Analysis  
[261] The Tribunal set out its initial reasoning in the letter-decision, which is reproduced as  
follows:  
 
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Funding for Capital assets for the Purchase and/or construction of capital  
assets that support the delivery of Jordan’s Principle services  
Jurisdiction to issue orders for purchase and/or construction of capital  
assets that support the delivery of Jordan’s Principle services  
Jordan’s Principle services are part of this claim and have been the subject of  
numerous orders by the Tribunal in these proceedings. Divorcing the services  
from provincial requirements for safe, confidential spaces to offer the services  
would amount to discrimination. It would also perpetuate gaps, denials and  
delays in hindering the delivery many services that can only be offered  
indoors. In other words, denying funding for safe, confidential and culturally  
appropriate spaces respecting provincial requirements would be the  
equivalent of refusing services otherwise allowed under Jordan’s Principle.  
[262] As promised, the Tribunal is now providing more detailed reasons.  
[89] Jordan’s Principle is a human rights principle grounded in substantive  
equality. The criterion included in the Tribunal’s definition in 2017 CHRT 14 of  
providing services “above normative standard” furthers substantive equality  
for First Nations children in focusing on their specific needs which includes  
accounting for intergenerational trauma and other important considerations  
resulting from the discrimination found in the Merit Decision and other  
disadvantages such as historical disadvantage they may face. The definition  
and orders account for First Nations’ specific needs and unique  
circumstances. Jordan’s Principle is meant to meet Canada’s positive  
domestic and international obligations towards First Nations children under  
the CHRA, the Charter, the Convention on the Rights of the Child and the  
UNDRIP to name a few. Moreover, the Panel relying on the evidentiary record  
found that it is the most expeditious mechanism currently in place to start  
eliminating discrimination found in this case and experienced by First Nations  
children while the National Program is being reformed. Moreover, this  
especially given its substantive equality objective which also accounts for  
intersectionality aspects of the discrimination in all government services  
affecting First Nations children and families. Substantive equality is both a  
right and a remedy in this case: a right that is owed to First Nations children  
as a constant and a sustainable remedy to address the discrimination and  
prevent its reoccurrence. This falls well within the scope of this claim.  
[90] The Panel’s rulings referred to government services affecting First  
Nations children including: Federal-Provincial; Federal-Federal; and Federal-  
Territorial. While the Panel has no jurisdiction over Provinces and Territories,  
it does have jurisdiction over Canada’s Jordan’s Principle involvement in all  
Federal services offered to First Nations children.  
[91] Additionally, Jordan’s Principle is a broader aspect of the complaint in  
front of the Tribunal where the Panel found, in the Merit Decision, that while  
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Jordan’s Principle is not a strict child welfare concept, it is intertwined with  
child welfare (see Merit Decision at para. 362). Therefore, the Panel’s general  
reasoning on child welfare is also relevant to Jordan’s Principle cases.  
However, it does not provide the full answer. For Jordan’s Principle, the Panel  
issued additional rulings and orders that form part of the analysis.  
[92] Furthermore, as already found by this Panel, Jordan’s Principle is a  
separate issue in this claim. It is not limited to the child welfare program; it is  
meant to address all inequalities and gaps in the federal programs destined  
to First Nations children and families and to provide navigation to access  
these services, which were found in previous decisions to be uncoordinated  
and to cause adverse impacts on First Nations children and families (see 2016  
CHRT 2, 2017 CHRT 14 and 2018 CHRT 4).  
[93] Moreover,  
[t]he discrimination found in the [Merit] Decision is in part  
caused by the way in which health and social programs, policies  
and funding formulas are designed and operate, and the lack of  
coordination amongst them. The aim of these programs,  
policies and funding should be to address the needs for First  
Nations children and families,  
(2017 CHRT 14 at para. 73).  
(2020 CHRT 20 at paras. 89-93)  
[263] The Commission summarizes the current state of funding for the purchase or  
construction of capital assets. It notes that the Terms and Conditions of the FNCFS Program  
identify that eligible expenses include the purchase or construction of capital assets that  
support the delivery of FNCFS services whether provided by FNCFS Agencies or others  
such as First Nations delivering programs. The IFSD report includes an assessment and  
quantification of capital needs for FNCFS Agencies. Canada has not conducted a specific  
survey or assessment on the capital needs of First Nations in Ontario with respect to  
prevention or Band Representative Services. Jordan’s Principle funding has not contained  
authorizations for capital spending to provide space to deliver the funded services.  
[264] The Commission submits that the Tribunal’s previous decisions have already  
identified the need for capital funding to ensure the delivery of appropriate services. The  
Panel agrees with the Commission’s characterization of the Tribunal’s previous decisions  
referred to above.  
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[265] Furthermore, the Commission indicates that Canada has taken steps with the IFSD  
needs assessment, amending the Terms and Conditions of the FNCFS Program and  
discussing capital spending with the parties while paying the actual costs of required repairs  
on an interim basis. Nonetheless, considerable time has passed since the Tribunal first  
identified this issue.  
[266] The Caring Society submits in its 2019 submissions that, as outlined in the statement  
regarding capital dated January 21, 2019 and attached to this submission in Appendix A,  
the parties have been discussing the matter of the purchase or construction of capital assets  
that support the delivery of FNCFS services for many months. In addition to the deficiencies  
noted in the Tribunal’s Merit Decision, major capital pressures go hand-in-hand with the  
necessary expansion of services available pursuant to Jordan’s Principle (particularly  
through group requests), and increased intake, assessment and prevention services, Band  
Representative services, etc. Indeed, increased funding for new staff and new programs  
cannot be effective if there is not adequate space to house programs and staff in ways that  
facilitate effective culturally-sensitive service delivery. Ms. Isaak, Canada’s affiant agreed  
there was a possibility that some prevention services could not be rendered if there were a  
shortage of adequate buildings (see Cross-examination of Ms. Paula Isaak, October 30,  
2018 at p. 86, lines 5-10, Tab 41 of the Record of documents).  
[267] Moreover, the Caring Society submits that contrary to Canada’s argument at  
paragraph 7 of its submission, the Caring Society is not seeking an order directing the  
allocation of funds for capital expenditures outside the FNCFS Program and Jordan’s  
Principle. Rather, the Caring Society is seeking an order providing for funding the ancillary  
costs of the purchase or construction of capital assets of increased programming that  
accompanies the Tribunal’s existing orders.  
[268] Moreover, the Caring Society submits that following discussions at the CCCW, the  
purchase or construction of capital assets has been added as an eligible expenditure  
pursuant to the FNCFS Program Terms and Conditions. Canada has recognized  
infrastructure as part of its costing exercise for Jordan’s Principle. See Caring Society’s  
Summary statement regarding capital at Tab 4 “ISC Jordan’s Principle Cost Estimate  
Development”. This document is undated and the author is unknown but it appears to be  
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Canada’s document. It was filed in 2019 as part of the Caring Society’s motion record. While  
this document has little probative value given the lack of context and detail surrounding the  
term infrastructure, the Panel finds it does support that Canada is turning its mind to the  
issue. The cost estimate indicates $38.4 million for infrastructure. Given that Jordan’s  
Principle applies nationally, this cost estimate may very well be insufficient. Real needs must  
inform the funding and not the other way around. Shift is needed.  
[269] However, the Panel believes at this time, it is necessary to act to ensure that needed  
services to First Nations children and families are met. At the time of this ruling, according  
to Canada’s ISC website, over 1.15 million services have been approved under Jordan’s  
Principle since the Tribunal’s 2016 rulings. Dr. Gideon testified on May 7, 2019 that the large  
increase in Jordan’s Principle approved cases for broader services than just child and family  
services significantly impacted their team in different areas. The Panel appreciates this and  
believes that an adjustment period was entirely reasonable.  
[270] On this point, the Panel emphasizes the findings of the Tribunal on Jordan’s Principle,  
reproduced above, and reiterates that Jordan’s Principle is not a strict child and family  
services mechanism. It is much broader, covering all services to First Nations children to  
respond to substantive equality. This is exemplified by the approved cases that are not just  
child and family services. The Panel is less concerned with the specific amount of funding  
or on the choice of policy that Canada is choosing. The Panel is focused on ensuring that  
the approved services are not delayed or denied for lack of adequate buildings to offer those  
services. Again, this cannot be approached in a piecemeal fashion separating services from  
environments in which to offer those services. For clarity, the Panel is not referring to the  
construction of large infrastructure such as hospitals or roads on reserve.  
[271] However, despite two and a half years having passed since Dr. Gideon’s testimony,  
Canada has not provided a concrete commitment to meet these building needs or a plan to  
accomplish it.  
[272] The Caring Society is concerned that, without specific orders, progress on meeting  
FNCFS Agencies’ needs for the purchase or construction of capital assets that support the  
delivery of FNCFS services (which have not been addressed within the FNCFS Program  
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since 1991 and which reflect an area for immediate relief) will continue to be mired in  
“discussions” and “requests for information”. More importantly it imperils the effectiveness  
of the Tribunal’s orders related to the provision of prevention services to communities as  
absent suitable buildings to house prevention services, these services will be difficult if not  
impossible to provide. Given Canada’s slow progress on implementing immediate relief  
measures after the January 26, 2016 decision, progress on the purchase or construction of  
capital assets ought to be made alongside progress on long-term reform, and not be  
required for long-term reform to be fully implemented.  
[273] The Panel believes that an order including a requirement for adequate buildings for  
Jordan’s Principle may bring clarity and assist ISC in that regard. There is also a necessity  
for Canada to adequately consult the parties and First Nations and prepare a plan in a  
reasonable timeframe with specific targets and deadlines to secure adequate  
implementation of Jordan’s Principle orders and services.  
[274] The majority of Canada’s general arguments on the purchase or construction of  
capital assets focused on the FNCFS Program without separately addressing Jordan’s  
Principle. However, it is clear from the Caring Society’s and the AFN’s submissions that the  
issue of the purchase or construction of capital assets to offer Jordan’s Principle services is  
part of this motion. The Commission understood this as well and provided submissions to  
that effect. The Commission submits that Jordan’s Principle funding has not contained  
authorizations for capital spending to provide space to deliver the funded services.  
[275] Most of Canada’s arguments have been addressed in our reasons above, which  
apply equally here. Some of the Panel’s reasons discussing the evidence in this section are  
specific to Jordan’s Principle.  
[276] Jordan’s Principle services are part of this claim and have been the subject of  
numerous orders by the Tribunal in these proceedings. Divorcing the services from  
provincial requirements for safe, confidential spaces to offer the services would not remedy  
the systemic discrimination found, it would perpetuate it. It would also perpetuate gaps,  
denials and delays that hinder the delivery of many services that can only be offered indoors.  
In other words, denying funding for safe, confidential and culturally appropriate spaces  
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respecting provincial requirements would be the equivalent of refusing services otherwise  
allowed under Jordan’s Principle.  
[277] As early as 2016, in the Merit Decision, the Tribunal found that interdepartmental  
disputes existed between the federal departments offering programs to First Nations  
children and families. Those disputes are one of the best examples of the lack of  
coordination that was found between federal programs and a focus on financial  
considerations rather than on substantive equality considering the real needs of the children  
and families it served.  
[278] Moreover, the Tribunal previously found that reallocating from housing to fund the  
FNCFS Program had a negative impact for First Nations children and families. Again, this is  
illustrative of the disconnect occurring when Canada chooses to spread its programs into  
departments without having the full picture of the real needs of the communities they serve.  
The Tribunal found that this way of functioning created gaps, delays and denials for First  
Nations children and families amounting to systemic discrimination causing harms and  
adverse impacts. Jordan’s Principle is not a program. Jordan’s Principle is not confined to  
the FNCFS Program. It permeates other federal programs and provincial and territorial  
programs as well. It also ensures First Nations children’s unique constitutional position and  
unique history is taken into account in all services concerning them. No other children in  
Canada face this jurisdictional ordeal. Only First Nations, Inuit and Métis children experience  
this because of their race or national origin. In this case we are focusing on First Nations  
children.  
[279] The argument of looking into other programs to delay or deny funding for building  
purchase or construction does not stand here. Canada ought to look at Nation specific  
building needs and requests at the time they are made not the time all First Nations have  
been consulted and have provided their views as this is unfair to First Nations that have  
pressing needs and are ready to proceed.  
[280] For Jordan’s Principle, Canada ought to provide a holistic view as to how it will  
respond to those needs and eliminate barriers, especially if those barriers arise from the  
administrative divide of federal programs. If building purchase or construction can  
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accommodate social services under the FNCFS Program, Jordan’s Principle services and  
early childhood intervention and others, this is ideal. This should only be done when it is  
possible. In the end, the FNCFS Agencies and First Nations communities decide on their  
plan.  
[281] Canada was ordered to cease and desist its discriminatory practices including this  
one. Multiple arguments pointing to other federal programs that are specialized in  
community infrastructure or ongoing discussions does not convince the Tribunal that real  
needs of First Nations children and families are met.  
[282] The Tribunal is less concerned on how Canada organizes itself or its departments,  
the policies or amount of funding it chooses. The Tribunal agrees with Canada’s  
submissions that it has to provide flexibility in Canada’s choices. However, when the  
Tribunal finds the effect of those choices is systemic discrimination the Tribunal is mandated  
by parliament to not only identify it but to also eliminate it and prevent it from reoccurring.  
[283] The Panel agrees with Canada that some disagreement between parties does not  
make Canada non-compliant with the Tribunal’s orders. However, some disagreements that  
occur as a result of Canada’s narrow interpretation of the Tribunal’s orders perpetuate  
systemic discrimination.  
[284] The evidence and other information establish that Canada’s current approach has  
not remedied the discrimination found and is not sufficiently responsive to the Tribunal’s  
orders to fix that discrimination, especially: cease and desist, immediate relief, substantive  
equality and Jordan’s Principle orders.  
[285] The evidence establishes on a balance of probabilities that ISC is focused on  
discussions with no specific deadline in order to make a case for Canada to approve funding  
in terms of real building needs for the FNCFS Program, prevention services and Jordan’s  
Principle. Canada’s affiants and arguments support this finding:  
So, understanding the full landscape of the capital needs was something that  
I had indicated would be important for the department to be able to make a  
submission around capital needs.  
(October 30, 2018, Cross-examinations of Ms. Isaak at p. 57 line 5- 8.)  
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Ms. Clarke for the Caring Society:  
Has there been efforts on the part of the department to seek out those  
communities who are in desperate need of buildings to see whether or not  
those buildings are required in order to deliver prevention services?  
Ms. Isaak for Canada:  
So, I think just referring back to my comments before, understanding this issue  
was raised at the CCCW and we needed to do so more work on that, work  
did start a survey. I don’t mean formally survey, but survey regions to find out  
what the state of paly was in the agencies in the various regions, and I believe  
the department was in the process of mapping out what that was. I think any  
information around that I believed would be helpful to understand and build  
case for any capital needs.  
We also understand, at least from the preliminary information, and I think  
there’s been more from IFSD, that they have done some of that actual survey  
and bringing some of those facts to the ---and will bring those facts to the  
parties very soon, I think. So, I think the department is anxious to understand  
what that picture looks like in order to determine what the next steps are.  
Ms. Clarke: And who de we need to build that case to?  
Ms. Isaak:  
The case ---would be likely it would be likely require a funding submission of  
some kind. A Minister would likely require---be required to take a case forward  
to her Cabinet colleagues. There may be other ways. I---all of those options I  
am ---I there are a variety of options of ways to do it, and I don’t know the  
extent to which all options have been pursued, but that is a typical that would  
likely need to be taken.  
(p. 87 | lines 3-24 and p. 88 | lines 1-9, at Tab 41 of the Record of Documents)  
[286] Dr. Gideon, Senior Assistant Deputy Minister of the First Nations and Inuit Health  
Branch at ISC, was cross-examined on her affidavit and testified that she was speaking for  
herself. She identified that infrastructure can be a barrier to the delivery of services under  
Jordan’s Principle in a community and that they had committed about $107 million to mental  
health resources.  
[287] Dr. Gideon later confirmed using the term we” that under Jordan’s Principle, there  
continues to be no funding for requests for the purchase or construction of capital assets for  
Jordan’s Principle.  
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Ms. Clarke for the Caring Society: (…) And I guess I should ask that the  
reason you can’t approve either a room expansion, or minor capital to change  
space around, or leasing to fund space is because you don’t have the  
authorities in the approval given in July 2016?  
Dr. Gideon: That’s correct. Now, where we are building new facilities in  
communities, we are thinking of excuse me where we have that opportunity  
now, we are looking at Jordan’s Principle in terms of their business planning,  
or needs assessment. We would encourage them to do that, because it  
becomes part of the services that they are delivering.  
(see May 7, 2019 cross-examination of Valerie Gideon at pp 66-71).  
[288] While this is a positive step, more steps are required to eliminate the systemic  
discrimination and ensure that approved services are also delivered in adequate spaces.  
Given program authorities’ central role in federal programs, the Panel finds the lack of  
authorities for purchase or construction of capital assets to support the delivery of services  
under Jordan’s Principle to be problematic.  
[289] For example, despite ongoing efforts, Dr. Gideon was unsuccessful in obtaining  
approval from the Privy Council Office to share the decision made by the Prime Minister and  
indicated that efforts will persist to ensure Jordan's Principle authorities are truly reflective  
of the orders, (see Affidavit of Lorri Warner dated March 4, 2020, Consultation Committee  
on Child Welfare Meeting- Draft Record of decisions April 2, 2019 p. 7 of 9 found at  
exhibit 8).  
[290] Of note, Ms. Isaak, Canada’s witness acknowledged that for the purchase or  
construction of capital assets funding is of particular concern to the parties and required  
attention.  
[291] According to Ms. Isaak, Canada’s failure to move on this issue was a result of a lack  
of information regarding FNCFS Agency requirements for the purchase or construction of  
capital assets rather than an attempt by Canada to thwart the needs of agencies:  
[…] So, I don’t think the conversation’s over on capital. So, I think there is  
more conversation about exactly those questions that may be undertaken.  
My comments at the Consultation Committee were around understanding –  
we needed to get a full understanding of what the needs were for major  
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capital. Across the country we were mapping starting the process to map  
what the actual situation was [for] the agencies. So, whether they were owned  
or leased or rented. Across the country it varies.  
I believe I’d also mentioned there are community capital plans that would  
come into the equation around building of buildings in communities. So, there  
would need to be some understanding of that vis-à-vis the agencies. IFSD  
was also doing work around needs, including capital needs. So, some  
preliminary information had been made available by them, as we were  
awaiting – and I believe that’s coming up soon – a report from IFSD, which  
would hopefully provide some helpful information  
(see October 30, 2018 cross-examination of Paula Isaak at p. 56 line 13 to  
p.57 line 4).  
[292] The Panel believes the exercise above has commenced and ought to be done in a  
timely manner. This being said, the Panel understands that some FNCFS Agencies and  
First Nations were not ready and may need more time. The focus should not be on those  
needing more time but rather on those who have responded and are ready to proceed.  
Further, being informed that funding for the purchase and/or construction of capital assets  
that support the delivery of services including Jordan’s Principle is available may incentivize  
them to signal their needs in that regard.  
[293] With respect to Jordan’s Principle, Canada has not provided sufficient evidence to  
convince the Tribunal that there is a comprehensive plan in place to adequately address the  
adverse discriminatory impacts identified by the Tribunal in the near future. As such, further  
orders are required in order to ensure that a lack of authority to address building purchase  
and/or construction to offer Jordan’s Principle services, particularly in relation to group  
requests, does not result in the persistence of service gaps for First Nations children.  
Moreover, the lack of adequate space in which to offer services constitutes a de facto denial  
of those Jordan’s Principle services.  
[294] The Panel understands the benefit of combining space on reserve to offer different  
services to First Nations children and families under different programs and Jordan’s  
Principle and the need to follow appropriate legal processes prior to purchase and  
construction. The Panel also accepts that other departments have expertise to assist in that  
regard and that no purchase and construction can be done without the First Nations’  
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agreement. The Panel also does not take issue with the legal process that ISC is using to  
obtain new authorities and legal requirements as long as it does not create delays, gaps or  
denials that perpetuate the discrimination Canada was ordered to stop.  
[295] None of those considerations prevent Canada from funding the purchase or  
construction of capital assets for those FNCFS Agencies and First Nations communities that  
are ready to proceed. Canada has a legal obligation to cease the systemic discrimination  
and to offer sufficient and sustainable funding for Jordan’s Principle services including  
adequate space to offer those services on reserve.  
[296] The issue arises when Canada is not sufficiently responsive to the systemic  
discrimination identified and unilaterally imposes a delay for those First Nations agencies  
and communities who are ready to proceed with a feasibility study or the purchase or  
construction of buildings to offer services to children and families under the FNCFS Program  
and Jordan’s Principle because ISC is building a case to obtain funding and authorities.  
[297] In 2016, Canada was found liable for the systemic discrimination and ordered to  
cease it. Numerous Jordan’s Principle orders were made that led First Nations children to  
obtain eligibility for extensive access to services. The broader definition included in the  
Tribunal’s orders creates an expansion of services requiring adequate space to support their  
delivery. This is ineffective if there is a lack of sufficient funding for space to offer those  
services on reserve. The Panel recognizes that Canada is approving hundreds of thousands  
of cases and is pleased with those results. However, approvals are meaningless if the  
services cannot be delivered. The Panel does not believe that in the majority of cases  
service requests are only approved and not provided. However, when there is a lack of  
funding for adequate space to offer those services, the services cannot be provided and this  
results in delays and denials, which are precisely what the Tribunal’s orders aim to prevent  
and rectify.  
[298] With respect, the need for sufficient office space to offer services is so intertwined  
with the actual provision of services and so self explanatory, the Panel did not envision the  
need for orders in that regard at the time. While there clearly was a timeframe to adapt to a  
large influx of new cases following the 2017 orders, we are now in the latter part of 2021.  
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Canada continuously submits it should be given latitude to comply to remedy the systemic  
discrimination. This is a clear example where too much latitude risks perpetuating the  
unnecessary delays resulting in systemic discrimination. Moreover, the lack of sufficient  
funding for buildings to offer services on-reserve constitutes denials contravening the  
Tribunal’s orders under Jordan’s Principle.  
[299] Given that Jordan’s Principle applies on and off reserve there is a need to understand  
provincial, territorial and federal building space available to offer those services to First  
Nations children off-reserve. Those studies could allow the identification of building space  
or the lack thereof that is the responsibility of the federal government and the responsibility  
of the province or territory or a shared responsibility. In other words, while jurisdictional  
disputes cannot delay services to children and therefore the dispute is to be settled  
afterwards, the purchase or construction of buildings is an exception. Furthermore, other  
legal requirements apply for purchase and construction off-reserve.  
[300] This is also responsive to Canada’s argument that FNCFS Program Terms and  
Conditions do not currently allow it to fund infrastructure off-reserve. The Community  
Infrastructure Branch would be better positioned to provide such services. Regardless of  
which program funds what, especially given the very nature of Jordan’s Principle, this  
argument is unconvincing.  
[301] However, the Panel does not intend for Canada to fund buildings that are not  
Canada’s responsibility. Timely studies or assessments could potentially assist in that  
regard.  
[302] While the Panel accepts that Canada has to discuss with First Nations communities  
on their community plans and priorities and that this process is ongoing, immediate steps  
can be taken now over 5 years after the Merit Decision and 4 years after the huge influx in  
Jordan’s Principle approved cases following the 2017 rulings.  
[303] As the Panel held at paragraph 303 of its 2018 CHRT 4 ruling regarding immediate  
relief:  
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The Panel wants to make it clear that discussions with no comprehensive plan  
or specific deadlines attached to it can go on for a very long time and seeing  
these types of arguments is a source of concern. Also, as already discussed  
in the [Merit] Decision, a piecemeal approach is to be discouraged.  
(see 2018 CHRT 4 at para. 303).  
[304] Given this concern, the Panel considers that one way that Canada can demonstrate  
that it is on track to comply with the Tribunal’s orders would be for it to expeditiously engage  
in adequate consultations in regards to building needs for FNCFS Agencies and First Nation  
communities including with the parties in this case and prepare a plan with specific targets  
and deadlines to complete those consultations. In the Panel’s view, Canada should be in a  
position to share this plan within three months of today’s date or as otherwise agreed by the  
parties. An appropriate plan would be highly detailed with clear steps and goals. Through  
these details, the plan would demonstrate how Canada is being responsive to the Tribunal’s  
orders including addressing the lack of coordination between federal programs affecting  
First Nations children, substantive equality, the challenges faced and solutions envisioned.  
[305] The Panel concludes, based on these reasons, that Canada is not implementing an  
approach to funding the purchase or construction of capital assets for Jordan’s Principle that  
fully addresses the discrimination identified by the Tribunal. Accordingly, the Panel issues  
the following orders:  
Order  
Pursuant to section 53 (2) of the CHRA the Tribunal orders Canada to:  
Fund all FNCFS Agencies including small agencies and/or First  
Nations at actual costs for the purchase of capital assets that  
support the delivery of Jordan’s Principle services to children  
on-reserve including in Ontario and in the Yukon and advise the  
FNCFS Agencies and First Nations in writing within 30 days of  
this order advising them on how to access this Capital asset  
funding. Canada shall post this information on the ISC website.  
For the construction of capital assets, the Tribunal orders  
Canada to fund the actual costs of projects that support the  
delivery of Jordan’s Principle services to children on-reserve  
including in Ontario and in the Yukon for First Nations and  
FNCFS Agencies that are ready to proceed advising them in  
writing on how to access the capital assets funding within 30  
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days of this order. Canada shall post this information on the ISC  
website.  
The Tribunal orders Canada in consultation with the CCCW, to  
provide funding for FNCFS Agencies and First Nations to  
conduct capital needs and feasibility studies regarding the  
purchase and/or construction of capital assets that support the  
delivery of Jordan’s Principle on-reserve and in the Yukon and  
off-reserve where applicable under Jordan’s Principle.  
The Tribunal orders Canada in consultation with the COO and  
the NAN, to provide funding for First Nations and FNCFS  
Agencies to conduct capital needs and feasibility studies  
regarding the purchase and/or construction of capital assets  
that support the delivery of Jordan’s Principle on-reserve and  
off-reserve, where applicable under Jordan’s Principle in  
Ontario.  
*The above orders recognize First Nations inherent rights to  
self-government and that this Tribunal cannot force First  
Nations that are not a party to these proceedings to do anything.  
The above orders recognize that complex processes must be  
followed in order to be ready to proceed to build on reserve and  
that this cannot be done unilaterally by FNCFS Agencies,  
Canada or by order of this Tribunal. Consequently, the  
purchase and construction orders above only include projects  
that are ready to proceed.  
V.  
Supplementary Financial Administration Act Party Submissions  
[306] As noted, the Panel requested supplementary submissions on the Financial  
Administration Act in light of the brief references the parties made in their submissions in  
relation to Major Capital. In particular, the Panel requested the parties to identify whether  
the Financial Administration Act or related policies created a limitation that prevented the  
effective implementation of the Tribunal’s orders. While this issue arose from the Major  
Capital submissions, the parties’ subsequent submissions were not limited to that context.  
A.  
The Caring Society  
[307] The Caring Society submits that the role of the Financial Administration Act has been  
addressed in 2018 CHRT 4. In particular, the Tribunal stated that while it will not draft  
   
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policies, choose between policies, or unnecessarily embark on specific reform, it will  
intervene when Canada’s policy choices result in discrimination in the same manner  
identified in the Merit Decision (2018 CHRT 4 at paras. 48 and 54).  
[308] The Caring Society identifies that Canada has raised the role of the Financial  
Administration Act a number of times subsequent to the Merit Decision. The Caring Society  
contends that the issue has been addressed in 2018 CHRT 4 and 2020 CHRT 24. The  
Caring Society suggests that Canada’s position that Tribunal orders that specifically address  
the content of policy intrude on the role of the legislation branch is an attempt to re-litigate  
issues that have already been decided.  
[309] The Caring Society argues that the Financial Administration Act and associated  
policies do not hinder the implementation of remedies. Rather, it is the mindset of individuals  
implementing such policies that hinders the ability to implement reform to remedy the  
discriminatory practices. This will require a plan for long-term independent and effective  
accountability measures to prevent a recurrence of discrimination.  
[310] The Caring Society identifies that Canada’s processes for implementing the  
Tribunal’s orders require political will. In particular, public servants at both ISC and in central  
agencies must support the funding allocation for the program. Further, the proposal must be  
supported by the Minister of Indigenous Services Canada, the Minister of Finance, Treasury  
Board, and the Prime Minister. The Caring Society contends that civil servants have not  
always put forward appropriate policy reforms such as ISC not proposing modifications to  
the definition of Jordan’s Principle during the hearing on the merits. Similarly, in terms of  
immediate relief, civil servants put forward funding proposals for the 2016 Budget but not for  
longer term. To be effective, the Tribunal must ensure that individuals beyond ISC civil  
servants are held accountable for implementing the Tribunal’s orders.  
[311] The Caring Society contends that the funding process under the Financial  
Administration Act support the “old mindset” that favours process over substance. This  
mindset, for example, gives greater emphasis to the FNCFS Program’s Terms and  
Conditions than the Tribunal’s orders. Similarly, Canada often differs issues rather than  
resolve them. There is no proposed mechanism to resolve future disputes about the  
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implementation of the Tribunal’s orders other than returning to the Tribunal. The Caring  
Society maintains that ongoing supervision of the Tribunal orders is required.  
B.  
The Chiefs of Ontario  
[312] The COO adopts the submissions of the Caring Society that the Financial  
Administration Act and related policies are not themselves a barrier to implementing the  
Tribunal’s orders and raises a few additional points.  
[313] The COO agrees with Canada’s submissions on the relationship between the  
Financial Administration Act and the CHRA including the primacy of the CHRA and the  
process for the expenditure of public funds.  
[314] The COO relies on evidence that it may be necessary to seek new spending  
authorities if the Tribunal’s orders cannot be satisfied within the existing authorities. The  
COO also notes that the parties sometime disagree with Canada on whether it complies  
with the Tribunal’s orders. The COO indicates that the Panel’s assistance in resolving these  
disputes is effective. Ultimately, the Tribunal’s orders will be best implemented by long-term  
reform that occurs as soon as possible through good faith negotiations.  
C.  
Assembly of First Nations  
[315] The AFN indicates that nothing in the Financial Administration Act or related policies  
hinder the implementation of the Tribunal’s orders. Any barriers are a result of a lack of  
bureaucratic or political will. Canada is required to implement the orders and cannot attempt  
to relitigate them by suggesting that implementing program reform falls to legislative and  
executive branches of government.  
[316] The AFN reviews the process for securing funding for ISC and the programs at issue  
in the case. The AFN recognizes Canada’s position that the Tribunal’s orders are compatible  
with the Financial Administration Act but disagrees with Canada’s suggestion that the  
Financial Administration Act limits the Tribunal’s ability to direct program reform. The AFN  
asserts that the Tribunal has previously addressed this issue in 2018 CHRT 4 at paras. 32-  
   
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33 and 2020 CHRT 24 at paras. 37-38. The AFN further submits that s. 53(2)(a) and (b)  
provides broad remedial authority to the Tribunal. This is quasi-constitutional legislation that,  
in the event of a conflict with other legislation or policies, the CHRA remedy prevails.  
D.  
Nishnawbe Aski Nation  
[317] NAN submits that Canada has allowed the Financial Administration Act and related  
policies to act as a roadblock to program reform.  
[318] NAN reviews the Tribunal’s prior findings on the quasi-constitutional nature of the  
CHRA (e.g. Merit Decision at para. 43 and 2018 CHRT 4 at para. 28) and that Canada must  
allocate resources in a manner that complies with the CHRA (Merit Decision at paras. 42  
and 44). Further, Canada must implement the Financial Administration Act in a manner  
consistent with the CHRA.  
[319] NAN argues the issue is not simply whether the Financial Administration Act and  
related policies are discriminatory but whether Canada is implementing them in a non-  
discriminatory manner. NAN submits that Canada is interpreting policies in a discriminatory  
manner. For example, Canada did not see the Terms and Conditions as an implementation  
to paying capital expenses for Band Representative services but subsequently changed its  
position. What Canada ought to have done on coming to that conclusion was amend the  
Terms and Conditions to permit compliance with the Tribunal’s order.  
E.  
Commission  
[320] The Commission submits that Canada’s legislative scheme and policies do not  
hinder the implementation of the Tribunal’s orders as long as the necessary bureaucratic  
and political will is brought to bear. If there were to be a conflict, the barrier, the Tribunal’s  
targeted systematic remedies would take priority given the CHRA’s primacy. The Tribunal  
has previously found that targeted systemic remedies are appropriate where the evidence  
so warrants.  
   
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[321] The Commission indicates that Canada has previously raised the argument that the  
Tribunal should be cautious in its remedial orders based on considerations such as the  
Financial Administration Act, the Treasury Board authorities, institutional capacity,  
parliamentary appropriations and the prudent use of public funds. The Tribunal has  
previously rejected these arguments.  
[322] The Commission has previously made extensive submissions about the effective  
implementation of systemic remedies. It reiterates a few key points. Section 53(2)(a)  
provides the Tribunal with broad discretion to redress a discriminatory practice. The Tribunal  
may issue further orders to ensure its orders are effectively implemented. Where there are  
multiple possible approaches to implement an order, the Tribunal should leave the  
government to choose an effective option. Where the evidence indicates specific steps are  
required, the Tribunal may appropriately make more detailed orders or targeted systemic  
remedies. If there is an operational conflict between a targeted systemic remedy and other  
government law or policy, the targeted systemic remedy must take priority under the quasi-  
constitutional CHRA.  
[323] The Commissions raises a number of points in response to Canada’s submissions.  
The Commission disagrees that the Tribunal is purely part of the judicial branch of  
government given that the Tribunal is created by statute. The Tribunal’s adjudication,  
including through targeted systemic remedies that affect other government programs, is  
consistent with legislative intent. Human rights tribunal remedies assist the executive and  
legislative branches of government in implementing human rights policy. And while it is the  
responsibility of the legislative and executive branch to reform the policies found to be  
discriminatory in this case, it is their obligation to bring government policies into compliance  
with the Tribunal’s orders. The responsibility of the legislative and executive branches does  
not negate the Tribunal’s ability to make orders.  
[324] Further, the Commission disagrees with any suggestion that Tranchemontagne v.  
Ontario (Director, Disability Support Program), 2006 SCC 14 requires an explicit primacy  
clause for human rights legislation. The Commission notes the issue is not material to this  
case as Canada acknowledges that the current case is about government services rather  
than legislation.  
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[325] The Commission maintains that Canada (Attorney General) v. Green, 2000  
17146 (FC), [2000] 4 FC 629 [Green] recognizes the primacy of the CHRA remedies over  
other legislation. Green is best understood to support the proposition that the Tribunal  
should avoid interfering with the operation of other legislation where lesser means are  
equally capable of achieving the remedial purpose.  
[326] The Commission does not believe it is appropriate to address the nature of long-term  
orders at this point. However, to the extent that Canada is arguing that unlimited expenses  
based on actual costs constitute financial hardship, Canada is obliged to more specific and  
concrete evidence to support claims of undue hardship under ss. 15(1)(g) and 15(2) of the  
CHRA.  
F.  
Canada  
[327] Canada submits that the Financial Administration Act and Canada’s Treasury Board  
policies support the effective implementation of the Tribunal’s orders. These authorities  
ensure that public funds are spent in a constitutional manner. More generally, the Tribunal  
should permit Canada the flexibility to address systemic discrimination in a manner of its  
choosing that accords with its obligations for spending public funds.  
[328] There is no issue of primacy between the Financial Administration Act and the CHRA  
as Canada has complied with the Tribunal’s orders, the Financial Administration Act, and  
Treasury Board policies. Canada relies on the Financial Administration Act to highlight that  
while the Tribunal has broad discretion on crafting remedial orders, Canada retains  
discretion in how it rectifies identified discrimination. The requirement to comply with  
appropriate procedures, including the Financial Administration Act, for spending money is  
an illustration of why Canada ought to be permitted the flexibility of developing policies to  
remedy the identified discriminatory practices.  
[329] The Constitution Act, 1867 sets out the framework for raising and spending public  
funds. The Financial Administration Act elaborates on these obligations and binds  
government officials. It reflects parliamentary supremacy and fulfills the constitutional  
obligation of holding the expenditure of funds by the executive responsible to Parliament.  
 
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[330] Canada contends that there is no issue of primacy in this case. While it may be  
possible that the CHRA has primacy over the Financial Administration Act, it is not  
necessary to conduct that analysis as no actual conflict arises in this case. Canada notes  
that cases that addressed the primacy of human rights legislation, such as Insurance  
Corporation of British Columbia v. Heerspink, 1982 27 (SCC), [1982] 2 SCR 145 and  
Winnipeg School Division No. 1 v. Craton, 1985 48 (SCC), [1985] 2 SCR 150 did not  
involve direct challenges to legislation. While Tranchemontagne v. Ontario (Director,  
Disability Support Program), 2006 SCC 14 involved a direct challenge to legislation, the  
Ontario legislation had a clear supremacy clause that does not appear in the CHRA.  
[331] Canada does not assert that the Financial Administration Act trumps the CHRA and  
disagrees with prior Tribunal decisions that suggest Canada makes that assertion. Rather,  
Canada argues that the Tribunal should provide Canada appropriate discretion in how it  
chooses to remedy the discriminatory practices identified by the Tribunal. This is particularly  
the case with systemic remedies involving broad policy reform.  
[332] Reforming the programs at issue in this case to prevent discrimination going forward  
appropriately falls to the executive and legislative branches of government. These branches  
of government are best placed to ensure all of Canada’s legal obligations are met, which  
includes appropriate legal oversight of public spending. Tribunal orders that specifically  
direct the content of policy intrude on the separation of powers. Canada has demonstrated  
its ability to follow these processes in enacting An Act respecting First Nations, Inuit and  
Métis children, youth and families.  
[333] The requirement to respect Canada’s ability to craft appropriate policy responses is  
confirmed in CN v. Canada (Canadian Human Rights Commission), 1987 109  
(SCC), [1987] 1 SCR 1114; Doucet-Boudreau v. Nova Scotia (Minister of Education), 2003  
SCC 62; and Canada (Attorney General) v. Green, 2000 17146 (FC), [2000] 4 FC  
629. The Tribunal’s ability to direct the implementation, review or amendment of policy  
should not be extended to dictate the contents of the policy. Nor should the Tribunal order  
that specific funds be spent in specific ways involving specific amounts.  
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[334] The case of Swan v. Canadian Armed Forces, 1994 10252 (CHRT) is  
distinguishable because a draft policy was before the Tribunal. It would, for example,  
inappropriately intrude on the policy making process for the Tribunal to issue a final order  
that funding must be made on the basis of actual costs. The order would oblige Canada to  
implement a practice where costs are unlimited. That impedes Canada’s ability to forecast  
expenditures, set priorities and secure appropriations from Parliament in accordance with  
the Financial Administration Act. This would intrude on the legislative branch’s  
responsibilities in relation to the content of policy.  
VI.  
Financial Administration Act Analysis  
[335] The Financial Administration Act analysis is intimately connected with the reasoning  
on the separation of powers. The Tribunal set out its initial reasoning in the letter-decision.  
As promised, the Tribunal is now providing more detailed reasons.  
[336] The issue here is not a challenge to the Financial Administration Act legislation such  
as in the Matson v. Canada (Indian and Northern Affairs), 2013 CHRT 13 [Matson] and  
Andrews v. Canada (Indian and Northern Affairs), 2013 CHRT 21 [Andrews] decisions. The  
Panel is not attempting to limit the Financial Administration Act’s goal or application as part  
of this ruling. The Panel’s question arises from a need for clarification given the repeated  
submissions from Canada on the issue of separation of powers and the Financial  
Administration Act.  
[337] Furthermore, the question aims to determine if Canada in implementing the  
Tribunal’s orders while abiding by the Financial Administration Act’s is applying its discretion  
in the Financial Administration Act’s interpretation to facilitate the implementation of the  
Tribunal’s orders or if it is interpreted in a way that hinders the Panel’s quasi-judicial statutory  
role under the CHRA. Moreover, the CHRA is quasi-constitutional and fulfills Parliament’s  
paramount goal in regard to human rights in Canada (see section 2 of the CHRA).  
[338] Canada’s liability was established and orders to cease the discriminatory practices  
and reform were accepted by Canada. The Tribunal’s findings addressed the FNCFS  
 
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Program authorities at length in the Merit Decision. The FNCFS Program authorities formed  
part of the Tribunal’s reform orders.  
[339] Further, the Financial Administration Act is law in Canada and the Panel accepts  
Canada’s assertion that the administration and management of public monies is set out in  
the Financial Administration Act and is used by all Government of Canada departments. In  
performing their duties, public servants must be guided by that legislation and the policies  
established to implement it.(Affidavit of Paul Thoppil dated April 16, 2019 at paragraph 6).  
[340] Canada’s affiant Mr. Thoppil testified that:  
Program funding is originally approved by the Government through the  
Federal Budget process and subsequently approved by Treasury Board.  
Departmental funding appropriations are provided to Departments on a yearly  
basis in the Estimates process and voted by Parliament. The main estimates  
outline spending for departments, agencies and programs, and contain the  
proposed wording of the conditions governing spending that Parliament will  
be asked to approve.  
(Affidavit of Paul Thoppil dated April 16, 2019 at paragraph 7, Emphasis ours).  
Budgets within ISC are determined based on anticipated needs, which are  
normally established through historical trends and forecasting. To support  
senior management within the Department in meeting their responsibilities  
under the FAA and supporting policies (such as the Management  
Accountability Framework). ISC continually monitors and forecasts program  
demand to meet program funding needs and legal obligations.  
(Affidavit of Paul Thoppil dated April 16, 2019 at paragraph 8, emphasis ours).  
[341] On this point, the Panel accepts Mr. Thoppil’s evidence reproduced above, however,  
the Panel finds that the evidence, including the evidence discussed above, demonstrates  
that Canada’s interpretation of the funding process under the Financial Administration Act  
supports the old mindset that favours process over substance (see the tragic illustration of  
this in the Wapekeka case described above). This mindset often gives greater emphasis to  
the FNCFS Program’s authorities and Terms and Conditions than the Tribunal’s orders. In  
retrospect, in light of the evidence in these proceedings over the last decade this is one of  
the main problems in need of change.  
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[342] In 2018, at the time Canada was declaring child welfare on reserves a humanitarian  
crisis the Panel released a ruling and made similar findings, a ruling accepted by Canada  
and with which Canada pledged to fully comply:  
Canada has taken a step in the right direction by increasing prevention money  
in its budget. However, it also admitted it left some immediate relief items for  
mid to long term, thus creating again a piecemeal approach to responding to  
the Decision’s findings, and orders. (see Gillespie Reporting Services,  
transcript of Cross-Examination of Cassandra Lang, Ottawa,Vol. I at p. 112,  
lines 19-25 [Transcript of Cross-Examination of Ms. Lang]).  
(see 2018 CHRT 4 at para. 151).  
Canada admits it lacks data to address some of the Panel’s immediate relief  
orders so it unilaterally decided they were best left to mid-term or long term  
without seeking leave from the Tribunal. It has treated some of the orders as  
recommendations rather than orders.  
(see 2018 CHRT 4 at para. 171).  
While it is true that Canada needs to work with its partners including the  
provinces, the Nations and the parties, this cannot be used as an excuse to  
avoid funding in a meaningful way to eliminate the most discriminatory  
aspects of the National First Nations Child and Family Services Program  
(FNCFS).  
(see 2018 CHRT 4 at para. 172).  
[343] As explained earlier, some well meaning ISC employees attempted different  
strategies to avoid seeking new authorities in every case but this is not always possible.  
Moreover, obtaining new funding authorities, funding and Terms and Conditions should not  
be an issue when Canada sets it as a priority and is able to show it is necessary to eliminate  
systemic racial discrimination of First Nations children and families and comply with the  
Tribunal’s legal orders.  
[344] The Merit Decision found systemic racial discrimination of children. The Merit  
Decision was detailed and provided a road map in terms of what needed to be eliminated to  
cease the systemic discrimination. This unchallenged decision and subsequent rulings are  
not recommendations. They are legally binding. Any funding process must comply with  
existing orders.  
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[345] The Tribunal relies on its numerous findings of underfunding, adverse impacts and  
systemic discrimination in previous rulings. The Panel is also concerned that Canada’s focus  
is that budgets are determined based on anticipated needs established through historical  
trends and forecasting. The FNCFS Program was found to be discriminatory in not  
addressing the real needs of the children and families served by the FNCFS Program. The  
flawed assumptions in forecasting were a factor that led to underfunding in the past and  
systemic discrimination causing many adverse impacts to First Nations children, the process  
in itself contributed to the systemic discrimination found and this process must be reformed  
(see Merit Decision at paras. 388-392). Canada must analyze its interpretation and its  
process and how this can be improved as part of the ordered reform.  
[346] However, the Financial Administration Act is not the issue per se here as the Panel  
does not dispute its goal or application. Rather, the issue is whether Canada’s interpretation  
of the process under the Financial Administration Act sufficiently addresses the systemic  
discrimination found. The Panel finds it does not.  
[347] There is great need for a shift in mindset on how things are done. This is what reform  
means. If trends and forecasts are informed by the past discriminatory practices the adverse  
impacts and harms will not be addressed. The Panel recognizes that Canada made efforts  
to move past this mindset in some aspects in order to comply with some of the Tribunal’s  
orders. The question here is whether Canada’s arguments attempt to return to its old ways  
when it says that the actual costs orders cannot be made long-term and/or permanent. The  
Panel will hear everyone on this issue as part of the long-term reform phase unless the  
parties achieve the ideal outcome of settling this matter.  
[348] Further, it is important to look at the facts. The FNCFS Program was found to be  
underfunded, not responsive to the real needs of children, incentivizing the removal of  
children from their homes, families and communities contributing to the erosion of Nations,  
and departments were uncoordinated and caused gaps and delays. Those findings remain  
unchallenged and are not up for debate. Canada was ordered to eliminate the above and,  
to do so, it cannot underfund or choose other discriminatory policies. If Canada has a new  
way of funding in the long term it needs to demonstrate that it is addressing all the systemic  
discrimination found, is more advantageous than immediate relief orders and proves to be  
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adequate, culturally appropriate, children, families and Nation specific needs based and  
sustainable.  
[349] The Panel agrees that the separation of powers is to be followed. However, it is  
Canada’s interpretation that the Panel rejected in 2018 CHRT 4. The Panel addressed  
cases such as Action Travail des Femmes, Doucet-Boudreau in past rulings.  
[350] Furthermore, the Panel agrees with Canada that in Canada (Attorney General) v.  
Green, 2000 17146 (FC), [2000] 4 FC 629, the Federal Court recognized the broad  
discretion of the Tribunal to craft remedies within limits. The Federal Court found that in  
remedying the discrimination, the Tribunal did not have jurisdiction to order destruction of  
documentation as to do so would be contrary to subsection 5(1) of the National Archives of  
Canada Act, RSC 1985, c 1 (3rd Supp). The Court acknowledged the importance of the  
remedy the Tribunal wanted to achieve, but implicitly held that there was no conflict and  
therefore no basis to override the National Archives Act as a confidentiality order would be  
a sufficient remedy.  
[351] The Panel reiterates that it is always important to look at the specific facts of the case  
and in this case the discriminatory practice includes underfunding and this is one important  
aspect that the Panel is trying to remedy.  
[352] Furthermore, the Panel does not desire to choose between adequate policies and  
will only do so if Canada’s chosen policy is not eliminating systemic discrimination,  
perpetuates inequalities and underfunding and permits ongoing discrimination (see previous  
rulings).  
[353] However, the Panel partially agrees with Canada’s argument in that directing a  
specific remedy risks creating delay by imposing a remedy ill-suited to the government  
context. This is why the Panel’s remedies are based on the evidence, the First Nations  
parties before the Tribunal and Canada and other parties’ views. Moreover, consistent with  
its past approach (2017 CHRT 35, 2018 CHRT 4), the Panel remains flexible to amend its  
orders when informed that a clarification or modification would best serve the interests and  
specific needs of First Nations children and families.  
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[354] Moreover, the Tribunal’s meaning of actual costs of services orders was explained  
earlier. The Tribunal’s goal with actual costs orders proposed by the First Nations parties in  
this case and accepted by the Tribunal is that until a new and adequate funding formula is  
developed, Canada must address the central issues to eliminate the systemic  
discrimination: cease the underfunding; reverse the mass removal of First Nations children  
from their homes, families and communities; respect non-discriminatory provincial laws as  
the floor not the ceiling; apply substantive equality based on the real needs of children taking  
into account the historical trauma of residential schools, the sixties scoop and colonisation;  
eliminate gaps in services caused by numerous factors such as the lack of coordination  
between federal departments, a top-down approach disconnected from the realities on the  
ground, a lack of understanding of First Nations real needs and responding to those needs  
instead of budget announcements disconnected from those real needs, lack of plans with  
deadlines, and using the expression discussing with our First Nations partners to justify the  
status quo when some First Nations are past discussions and ready to move forward. All  
this forms part of the Tribunal’s unchallenged findings (see previous rulings) and cannot be  
challenged again at this time.  
[355] The Panel’s orders flow from the claim and the systemic discrimination found and as  
previously said in the unchallenged 2018 CHRT 4 ruling, it has to remedy the systemic  
discrimination found. Any remedy impacting funding is a remedy entirely consistent with the  
claim and findings. The Panel has a quasi-judicial mandate determined by Parliament’s  
quasi-constitutional goal to ensure discrimination is eliminated. If Canada is opting to  
remedy the systemic discrimination by using another policy option in the long-term, the  
Panel agrees it is Canada’s prerogative so far as it respects First Nations inherent and  
human rights, does not repeat the past and abides by the CHRA, the Tribunal’s orders to  
reform the FNCFS Program, and Canada’s commitments in this case, which include  
substantive equality principles. It goes without saying that this cannot be done without the  
necessary knowledge and participation of First Nations.  
[356] Any perpetuation of the past discriminatory practice could mean that Canada  
continues to discriminate in a systemic way and negatively impacts children, which warrants  
the Tribunal’s intervention.  
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[357] Further, funding at actual costs respecting substantive equality based on needs was  
already ordered by the Tribunal and adhered to by Canada’s Ministers in the Consultation  
Protocol. Performing studies may assist in reversing the historical trends and forecasting to  
reflect the real needs of First Nations children and families in order to eliminate the systemic  
discrimination found until a new and adequate non-discriminatory funding formula is  
developed.  
[358] Canada argues that in the present case, the Tribunal’s orders that funding be made  
based on actual costs pending long-term reform would, in the context of a more permanent  
order, exceed the role of the judicial branch as the Tribunal would be specifically directing  
the creation of policy. Given that this ruling addresses a clarification of previous immediate  
orders and midterm reform, this argument can be revisited should Canada wish to do so in  
the submissions and arguments for long-term reform. Simply put, actual costs of services  
mean Canada must cease and desist from the discriminatory practices including the  
underfunding and infringing on substantive equality.  
[359] However, the Panel wishes to reiterate that all its orders are grounded in and focused  
on substantive equality and the real needs of First Nations children and families served by  
the FNCFS Program and Jordan’s Principle. The real service needs and substantive  
equality ought to inform the historical trends and forecasting and not Canada’s  
uncoordinated and top-down approach that led to discrimination. Not only were those  
findings and orders unchallenged, Canada’s Ministers committed to implement them (see  
Consultation Protocol following 2018 CHRT 4). Canada also included substantive equality  
in An Act Respecting First Nations, Inuit and Métis children, youth and families.  
[360] Mr. Thoppil also testified that:  
In performing his duties, I must be guided by [the FAA] legislation and the  
policies established to implement it. This includes policy requirements for  
transfer payment programs such as the funding agreements ISC enters into  
with First Nations child welfare agencies (…).  
Government-wide policy requirements for transfer payment programs are  
established by Treasury Board Secretariat in the Policy on Transfer Payments  
(PTP) and the Directive on Transfer Payments (‘’the Directive”). The objective  
of the PTP and the Directive is to ensure that transfer payment programs are  
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managed with integrity, transparency and accountability in a manner that is  
sensitive to risks; are citizen-and recipient-focused; and are designed and  
delivered to address government priorities in achieving results for Canadians.  
(See Affidavit of Paul Thoppil dated April 16, 2019 at paragraphs 36-37).  
[361] The Panel also accepts Mr. Thoppil’s evidence on this point.  
[362] Further, the Panel notes that in Canada’s submissions, Canada asserts it has  
successfully implemented the Tribunal’s remedial orders regarding the FNCFS Program,  
corresponding funding formulas, and other related provincial/territorial agreements (the  
“Program”), and has done so in accordance with the Financial Administration Act and  
Treasury Board policies.  
[363] Canada also argues the Constitution Act, 1867, sets out key constitutional norms  
regarding the manner in which moneys may be lawfully levied and spent. The Financial  
Administration Act sets out the core legal framework that governs the acquisition and  
spending of public funds for federal institutions and guides the work of public servants.  
[364] Canada also makes a number of submissions that the Panel accepts and are worth  
mentioning here.  
[365] Canada’s policies and priorities must adhere to this legal framework while also  
responding to its legal obligations. In reforming the FNCFS Program, Canada must develop  
policy and mandates that effectively respond to the Tribunal’s orders to reform the FNCFS  
Program while ensuring adherence to the financial framework that governs the spending of  
public funds.  
[366] While the CHRA’s mandate focuses on addressing discriminatory practices, which  
does not include challenges solely to legislation, it will take primacy wherever another law  
interferes with the fulfilment of its object and purpose. For example, where a complaint is  
properly before the Tribunal, and a provision of a federal law conflicts with the Tribunal’s  
remedial powers, the provision may be treated as inoperative in order to allow the Tribunal  
to fulfill its mandate to prevent discrimination. The Tribunal has applied the primacy principle  
in this manner on numerous occasions, where it has found the existence of a discriminatory  
practice. This reading is consistent with the principles stated in Heerspink, Craton and  
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Tranchemontagne. Canada (Canadian Human Rights Commission) v. Canada (Attorney  
General), 2018 SCC 31 the Supreme Court of Canada affirmed this analysis conducted by  
the Tribunal in both the Matson and Andrews complaints.  
[367] Given the above submissions recognizing the primacy of the CHRA when in conflict  
with legislation, the Panel does not understand the reasoning behind Canada’s argument  
on Tranchemontagne and the lack of a privacy clause in the CHRA. Canada submits  
Tranchemontagne can only be understood as affirming primacy in the context of the very  
different statutory mandate that Ontario has assigned to the Human Rights Tribunal of  
Ontario. The Court’s conclusion that legislation conflicting with the Code’s anti-discrimination  
protections may be rendered inoperable is entirely in line with legislative intent.  
[368] In the unchallenged Merit Decision at paragraph 42, the Panel relied on Kelso v. The  
Queen, [1981] 1 SCR 199 at page 207, where the Supreme Court stated:  
No one is challenging the general right of the Government to allocate  
resources and manpower as it sees fit. But this right is not unlimited. It must  
be exercised according to law. The government’s right to allocate resources  
cannot override a statute such as the Canadian Human Rights Act.  
[369] Furthermore, the CHRA’s primacy was also addressed in the Panel’s previous rulings  
notably in 2018 CHRT 4 that was followed by a consultation protocol signed by Canada’s  
Ministers.  
[370] On Canada’s argument of separation of powers, the Panel has already addressed  
this in previous rulings including 2018 CHRT 4. The Panel has held that while it will not draft  
policies, choose between policies, supervise the policy drafting process, or unnecessarily  
embark on the specifics of reform, it will intervene if it finds that Canada’s policy choices are  
resulting in discrimination in the same or similar ways found in the January 2016 Merit  
Decision.  
[371] Parliament’s priorities in regard to human rights are stated in the quasi-constitutional  
CHRA which gives the Tribunal jurisdiction for broad remedial powers to eliminate  
discrimination. Furthermore, the consultation protocol signed by Minister Philpott and  
Minister Bennett express government priorities in this case. Moreover, at paragraph 3 of the  
ISC Policy on Internal Reallocation of Social, Housing, Education, and Health Program  
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Funds, section 3.3.2 clearly outlines a government priority to comply with all CHRT orders  
on child and family services and the need to review the policy to update it according to the  
Tribunal orders.  
ISC Policy on Internal Reallocation of Social, Housing, Education, and Health  
Program Funds  
3. Effective Date  
3.1. This policy takes effect on February 8, 2018.  
3.2. This is an evergreen policy that will be reviewed and updated to ensure  
on-going compliance with all Canadian Human Rights Tribunal orders on child  
welfare.  
[372] The Policy on transfer payments’ objective filed in evidence and attached to Paul  
Thoppil’s affidavit dated April 16, 2019, provides considerable discretion to Treasury Board  
President and Secretary, Ministers and Deputy heads in the delivery and management of  
transfer payment programs (See section 3.8).  
3.8 This policy sets out clear roles and responsibilities for the Treasury Board,  
the President of the Treasury Board, the Secretary of the Treasury Board,  
ministers and deputy heads in the design, delivery and management of  
transfer payment programs.  
The objective of this policy is to ensure that transfer payment programs are  
managed with integrity, transparency and accountability in a manner that is  
sensitive to risks; are citizen- and recipient-focused; and are designed and  
delivered to address government priorities in achieving results for Canadians.  
(emphasis added).  
[373] It is clear that if a federal department is found to engage in systemic discrimination  
and ordered to remedy it, especially when underfunding and authorities associated with this  
underfunding are one of the main elements found to have caused systemic discrimination,  
the policy on transfer payments allows considerable discretion to the government to remedy  
the underfunding and eliminate the systemic discrimination. It is reasonable to conclude that  
if the Financial Administration Act or the policy is cited as a roadblock to eliminate systemic  
discrimination in funding and FNCFS Program authorities, it is not the Financial  
Administration Act or the policy on transfer payments per se that fosters status quo and  
perpetuates systemic discrimination but rather a restrictive interpretation of the Financial  
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Administration Act or the policy on transfer payments made by those who were ordered to  
remedy it.  
[374] Moreover, the objective of the policy can be interpreted in a manner that is consistent  
with the CHRA and the Tribunal’s orders and the engagements made by Ministers Philpott  
and Bennett in the consultation protocol.  
[375] Given that we are looking at potentially discretionnary decisions under a policy, this  
is not a question of an attack solely to legislation such as in Matson and Andrews but rather  
it is the case where the interpretation of the Financial Administration Act and relevant policies  
can either perpetuate or eliminate systemic discrimination.  
[376] The Financial Administration Act should be interpreted harmoniously with quasi-  
constitutional legislation such as the CHRA including orders made under the CHRA. Canada  
confirms it is doing as much. The Panel has found a more nuanced view of Canada’s  
approach and provided guidance above. In light of this, the Panel sees no need to make  
orders on this issue at this time.  
[377] Further, the Tribunal’s orders are to be read harmoniously with the Financial  
Administration Act and, in the event of conflict, the orders made under the CHRA have  
primacy over an interpretation of the Financial Administration Act that limits the Tribunal’s  
remedial authority.  
[I]n Franke v. Canada (Canadian Armed Forces), [1998] C.H.R.D. No. 3 (Can.  
Human Rights Trib.) [Franke], the Respondent argued that, pursuant to  
section 9 of the Crown Liability and Proceedings Act, R.S.C. 1985 c. C-50  
[CLPA] and section 111 of the Pension Act, R.S.C. 1985 c. P-6 [PA], the  
Tribunal was precluded from awarding damages for economic loss to the  
Complainant because she was receiving a pension from Veterans Affairs in  
respect of this loss. The Tribunal found that there was a conflict between those  
provisions and the remedies provisions of the Act. Relying on Heerspink,  
Craton, Action Travail des Femmes, Druken and Uzoaba, the Tribunal  
dismissed the Respondent's argument and affirmed the primacy of the Act  
noting that, as the legislature had not spoken to the contrary, the Act  
superseded the provisions of the CLPA and the PA and therefore damages  
for economic loss could be awarded: Franke at paras. 644 - 678.  
(Andrews v. Indian and Northern Affairs Canada, 2013 CHRT 21 at para. 87,  
emphasis ours).  
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VII. Reallocation Party Submissions  
A. The Caring Society  
[378] The Caring Society seeks four orders in relation to the reallocation of budgeted funds  
between different social programs:  
In consultation with the CCCW, Canada will amend the “adverse impact”  
screen regarding temporary reallocations to ensure it meets the Tribunal’s  
orders and post the final result on the home page of the ISC website within 30  
days of the order.  
The “adverse impact” screen established by the policy for temporary  
reallocations from programs listed in the policy should also apply to  
permanent reallocations out of non-listed programs.  
Funds that are temporarily reallocated from a program listed in the policy shall  
be returned to the program in question within 30 days.  
Officials determining whether a reallocation (whether labelled as “permanent”  
or “temporary/cash management”) will have an adverse impact on First  
Nations children and families shall have training to familiarize them with the  
factors leading to the over-representation of First Nations children in care.  
[379] The Caring Society relies on the Tribunal’s order in 2018 CHRT 4 that Canada cease  
unnecessarily reallocating funds from social programs that contributes to the detrimental  
effects on children identified in the Merit Decision (para. 422). Canada developed a policy  
on reallocation. While the Caring Society provided some comments on the draft policy, the  
Caring Society is not satisfied with the finalized reallocation policy. In particular, the Caring  
Society is concerned that it is unclear which programs are exempted from the reallocation  
policy and can still be subject to reallocations; the Infrastructure program is subject to  
reallocation which could undermine services that would prevent the removal of children;  
temporary reallocations are not defined and can span more than one fiscal year; and a the  
policy does not establish a mechanism for determining what constitutes an adverse impact  
on First Nations children.  
[380] While the Caring Society is optimistic that ongoing dialogue between the parties can  
address this issue, the Caring Society is concerned that dialogue will be used to avoid  
binding orders from the Tribunal.  
   
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[381] In reply, the Caring Society submits that Canada has not provided evidence about  
how ISC will assess whether a reallocation will adversely affect First Nations children.  
B.  
Canada  
[382] Canada submits that it is compliant with the Tribunal’s existing orders, including in  
relation to reallocation.  
[383] Canada notes the Tribunal’s finding that not all of ISC’s social programs form part of  
the complaint and the Tribunal’s jurisdiction. The Tribunal ordered Canada to evaluate its  
reallocation practices.  
[384] Canada documents its efforts to comply with the Tribunal’s orders. ISC has secured  
increased and stable funding to obviate the prior need for reallocation. Canada documents  
some of the correspondence to implement the changes to the allocations policy and the fact  
that Canada has not made permanent reallocations since February 15, 2018. The draft  
Reallocation Policy, circulated to the CCCW, was part of the reform process. Canada only  
received feedback from the Caring Society. ISC incorporated most of the Caring Society’s  
recommendations but was unable to incorporate certain suggestions such as a suggestion  
that the policy apply more broadly and that reallocations be limited to 30 days. Limiting  
reallocations to 30 days would hinder internal fiscal management, and would for example  
prevent using funds for a delayed project for another purpose with the funds being repaid  
once the original project can proceed. ISC will share further documents on reallocations with  
the parties in order to continue to work collaboratively with the parties on this issue.  
[385] Canada submits that this evidence demonstrates that it is complying with the  
Tribunal’s orders. ISC has implemented procedures that respond to the Tribunal’s concerns  
and, in fact, appropriately respond to the spirit of the Tribunal’s orders by including health  
and education programs not specifically identified in the orders. This demonstrates  
Canada’s efforts to prevent adverse impacts on First Nations children. The Caring Society’s  
complaints in this motion arise from a respectful disagreement on two issues and should not  
be conflated with non-compliance with the Tribunal’s orders.  
 
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VIII. Reallocation Analysis  
[386] In the letter-decision dated August 26, 2021, the Panel wrote that it has already ruled  
on this issue in 2018 CHRT 4 and would clarify what it meant in the reasons to follow. There  
was no further order made on reallocation as part of the letter-decision.  
[387] In 2018 CHRT 4, the Panel made the orders below in terms of reallocation while  
weighing the evidence as a whole and understanding Canada’s need for flexibility in  
managing public funds. To that effect, the Panel wrote at paragraph 276 that some  
reallocations may be inevitable in the federal government. However, it is also in the best  
interest of First Nations’ children and families to eliminate this practice as much as possible.  
The rationale for the orders, which should never be separated from the orders themselves,  
was explained at paragraphs 269-276 in clear terms.  
[388] The findings in this case based in the evidence established that neglect is the primary  
reason for unnecessary apprehensions and removal of children from their homes, families  
and communities. The damaging effect of not applying a substantive equality lens to  
services offered to First Nations children and families results in unnecessarily removing  
children from their homes, families and communities as a result of one of factors such as:  
poor housing, poverty or substance abuse. These factors can intersect and can be identified  
to as socio-economic determinants of health.  
[389] The Panel also addressed the issue of federal departments working in silos and  
causing adverse impacts to First Nations children and families in previous rulings. Canada  
chose to create social programs and divide them into branches. This is Canada’s choice.  
The branches are attached to the tree of social programs and one of those programs is  
FNCFS Program. Another is the Housing Program. It is Canada’s responsibility to assess  
all its programs offered to children and families on-reserve or ordinarily on reserve to ensure  
they respond to specific needs and do not create gaps that negatively impact First Nations  
children and families. The Panel ordered Canada in 2018 to look into all its social programs  
to avoid adverse impacts namely apprehensions or other negative impacts to children.  
Inequalities should not be created in an attempt to correct inequalities in the FNCFS  
Program. Safe housing is intertwined with keeping children at home, in their families and in  
 
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their communities. This was established in 2016. Responsible reallocation should take this  
into consideration and the best way to do so is in applying the principle of substantive  
equality based on needs. To do so, Canada ought to assess needs, gaps, and inequalities  
in all its programs to ensure its programs do not perpetuate systemic discrimination to First  
Nations children and families. First Nations children’s social needs are not administratively  
divided in silos. More importantly, as already explained in the Merit Decision, Canada cannot  
effectively create appropriate programs with a top-down approach. Canada needs to start  
from the child, the family, the community and the Nation and respond to their specific needs  
with its social programs and other programs. This will look different from one child to another,  
one family to another, one community to another and one Nation to another. The common  
denominator here is to keep the children in their homes, families, communities and Nations.  
The Panel has insufficient evidence and submissions to determine if the orders below have  
been fully implemented.  
[390] This being said, while there is a plan in place for First Nations communities covered  
under the 2021 CHRT 12 consent order, for those not covered under the consent order,  
there is no specific plan to this date. The Panel reiterates its previous orders reproduced  
below and request all the parties to the consultation protocol to follow-up with a plan on their  
implementation by February 17, 2022. The parties should take the Panel’s clarification  
above, especially the assessment of specific needs, gaps, inequalities in all its programs  
into consideration in the preparation of this plan.  
[391] For reference, the 2018 CHRT 4 orders are the following:  
The Panel, pursuant to section 53 (2) (a) of the CHRA, orders Canada to stop  
unnecessarily reallocating funds from other social programs especially  
housing if it has the adverse effect to lead to apprehensions of children or  
other negative impacts outlined in the [Merit Decision] by February 15, 2018  
(see 2018 CHRT 4, at para. 277).  
The Panel, pursuant to section 53 (2) (a) of the CHRA, orders Canada to  
ensure that any immediate relief investment does not adversely impact  
Indigenous children, their families and communities by February 15, 2018  
(see 2018 CHRT 4, at para. 278).  
The Panel, pursuant to section 53 (2) (a) of the CHRA, orders Canada to  
evaluate all its Social Programs in order to determine and ensure any  
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reallocation is necessary and does not adversely impact the First Nations  
children and families by April 2, 2018 (see 2018 CHRT 4, at para. 279).  
IX.  
A.  
Capital for Band Representative Services and Prevention Services in Ontario  
Party Submissions  
The Chiefs of Ontario  
[392] The COO seeks additional orders to address the needs of First Nations in Ontario  
that are engaged in providing Band Representative Services and prevention services. As  
such, the COO requests the following additional orders:  
1. Canada shall fund the Major and Minor Capital costs of First  
Nations in Ontario for the provision of prevention and Band  
Representative services, including, but not limited to, those  
related to program administration and governance, prevention,  
intake, and legal services;  
2. In consultation with COO, Canada shall provide funding for  
Ontario First Nations to conduct Major Capital/infrastructure  
needs and feasibility studies related to prevention and Band  
Representative services;  
3. Where such feasibility studies identify a need for Major  
Capital, Canada shall fund the design, land purchase,  
infrastructure, and other administrative requirements to  
facilitate construction; and  
4. Where projects are ready to proceed, Canada shall fund the  
Major Capital needs of Ontario First Nations at actual cost.  
[393] The COO submits that First Nations in Ontario are unique in the delivery of Band  
Representative Services and are actively pursuing a model of preventative funding.  
[394] Prevention initiatives for First Nations in Ontario have been funded through limited  
immediate relief allocations without access to funding “at actuals”. As capacity to deliver  
programs has expanded, so has the demand for space. ISC recognizes the different context  
in Ontario where funding is going through communities while in much of the rest of the  
country the funding flows through FNCFS Agencies. While further study is required to  
determine the Major Capital needs of First Nations in Ontario, it is clear that adequate space  
   
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is required to appropriately deliver prevention and Band Representative Services. What  
funding is available through the “fixed pot” approach under the Community Well-being and  
Jurisdiction Initiatives is insufficient to meet substantive equality needs and causes divisions  
between First Nations.  
[395] While the Panel has previously awarded capital funding to FNCFS Agencies to  
appropriately deliver prevention services, First Nations in Ontario have determined that  
prevention services are most appropriately provided by, and within, the First Nation. The  
COO submits that First Nations delivering prevention and Band Representative Services  
should have similar access to capital as FNCFS Agencies in order to meet the substantive  
equality needs of these communities.  
[396] The COO argues that the record demonstrates that Canada has taken the position  
that it will not fund capital for Band Representative Services. This record was confirmed by  
the parties in September 1, 2020 correspondence to the Tribunal. In particular pursuant to  
this record, the COO identifies that none of the Capital Directive, the draft document on  
reimbursing actual costs of Band Representative Services pursuant to the Tribunal’s orders,  
or the FNCFS Terms and Conditions include Band Representative Services. The COO also  
refers to CCCW discussions of the topic and examples of Wabaseemoong Independent  
Nations and Asubpeeschoseewagong Netum Anishinabek seeking capital funding for Band  
Representative Services being denied despite their inadequate facilities to, for example, be  
able to maintain client confidentiality.  
[397] The COO contends that the failure to fund capital expenses for Band Representative  
Services is inconsistent with Canada’s obligation to fund actual costs under the orders from  
2018 CHRT 4 as well as Canada’s obligation to provide First Nations children substantive  
equality in child and family services, as identified throughout this case and in An Act  
respecting First Nations, Inuit and Métis children, youth and families; leaves First Nations  
unable to exercise their rights or fulfill their duties under the Child, Youth and Family Services  
Act, 2017, SO 2017 c 14, Schedule 1 (CYFSA); and leaves First Nations unable to comply  
with legal and best practice privacy requirements in providing child and family services, let  
alone provide culturally appropriate services.  
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[398] The COO provides an overview of the new legislative scheme under the CYFSA and  
emphasizes the scope of First Nations’ participatory and consulting rights through a Band  
Representative. The COO argues that First Nations require adequate space in order to  
exercise the full scope of their rights under the CYFSA. While space is required in order to  
be physically able to provide services, appropriate space is required to ensure client  
confidentiality and privacy in accordance with legal and professional norms. For example,  
the Information and Privacy Commissioner of Ontario identified that records containing  
personal information must be locked cabinets in a space with controlled access through  
access cards and keys and where any visitors are identified, screened and supervised. The  
COO also refers to standards for social works that require privacy for any discussions related  
to clients.  
B.  
Nishnawbe Aski Nation  
[399] NAN First Nations are providing prevention and Band Representative Services  
without funding for capital and infrastructure in a context of a chronic infrastructure deficit  
felt particularly strongly in remote and Northern communities. The lack of infrastructure  
includes a lack of housing which hinders the ability to find suitable foster homes in the  
community and the ability to hire staff from outside the community. NAN adds that in many  
of its communities, the issue is not simply inadequate buildings hindering program delivery,  
but often a complete absence of available buildings.  
[400] NAN identifies some specific concerns about the capital directive: a lack of clarity for  
assessing the criteria that a capital project “clearly contribute towards the achievement of  
the intended outcome of the Program”; limiting capital costs to prevention services and  
repair costs for Band Representative facilities; and lack of clarity in the relationship with the  
Capital Facilities and Maintenance Program. NAN is not satisfied with the changes Canada  
has made in response to its concerns.  
[401] NAN contends that the $2.5 million limit in the Draft Capital Directive does not  
adequately reflect challenges related to remoteness and does not believe Canada has  
appropriately addressed remoteness concerns.  
 
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[402] NAN maintains that reimbursement for Band Representative Services requires  
capital funding. NAN is concerned that Canada has yet to provide clear guidance on the  
extent to which capital funding will be available and is particularly concerned that Canada  
may not have provisions for providing funding for capital where the absence of infrastructure  
is a factor preventing the establishment of a Band Representative program.  
[403] In subsequent submissions, NAN argues that Canada has narrowed the scope of the  
Tribunal’s order to reimburse the actual costs of providing Band Representative Services  
and the scope of the FNCFS Program’s Terms and Conditions as they relate to Band  
Representative Services. In particular, Canada limits each First Nation to a one-time capital  
claim of $1.5 million for Band Representative Services.  
[404] NAN points to evidence from Canada’s witnesses that suggests that they initially  
accepted that capital expenditures for Band Representative Services was within the scope  
of the Tribunal’s orders. For example, NAN relies on the cross-examination of Assistant  
Deputy Minister Joanne Wilkinson on June 4, 2019 that, while capital expenses were not  
listed as eligible expenses, ISC was looking into eligibility and was prepared to consider  
capital claims for Band Representative Services on a case-by-case basis. The subsequent  
modification of the Terms and Conditions to limit each First Nation to a one-time claim for  
capital expenditures for Band Representative Services, capped at $1.5 million, represents  
a narrowing of eligibility from the Tribunal’s orders.  
[405] NAN has specific concerns about capital expenditures for Band Representative  
Services being limited to $1.5 million. The fixed amount, regardless of First Nations’  
circumstances, disadvantageous remote and northern First Nations who face added costs  
in, for example, transporting construction materials to their communities. ISC has developed  
a Cost Reference Manual that addresses increased costs for remote First Nations but has  
not factored that into its reimbursement limit.  
[406] Remote community reliance on winter roads to transport construction materials  
further increases the need for prompt approvals from ISC. Delays in approvals can increase  
costs of transportation must be done by air instead of winter road. The limit of $1.5 million  
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means First Nations may be unable to be reimbursed for unanticipated and unbudgeted  
added costs.  
[407] NAN indicates that there is no evidence to support the limit of $1.5 million for capital  
expenditures related to Band Representative Services. NAN points to evidence that the limit  
is an old presumed limit for minor capital expenditures that is agreed to be out of date.  
Further, it does not correspond with the increase to $2.5 million capital limit for FNCFS  
Agencies. The limit of $1.5 million represents an inappropriate reversion to old policy based  
on assumptions instead of based on actual need.  
[408] NAN similarly supports the orders requested by the COO, with the minor change to  
the second order such that consultation be directed to occur with both the COO and NAN.  
C.  
Canada  
[409] Canada responds specifically to NAN’s arguments relating to capital for Band  
Representative Service. Canada submits that NAN misrepresents that the Tribunal has  
ordered the capital payments NAN seeks, misrepresents that ISC has been inconsistent in  
its interpretation of the Tribunal’s orders in relation to Band Representative Services capital,  
and misrepresents that ISC has failed to address remoteness issues. Canada contends that  
it has gone beyond what the Tribunal ordered.  
[410] Canada also relies on a number of its past submissions on Band Representative  
Services. Those submissions maintain that Canada has addressed the Tribunal’s orders in  
relation to Band Representative Services. These submissions also describe Canada’s  
process for reimbursing costs paid for Band Representative Services. These issues and  
submissions are more fully described in 2020 CHRT 24 and 2018 CHRT 4 where the Panel  
made specific orders relating to Band Representative Services.  
[411] In addition, Canada submits these submissions demonstrate that it worked with  
claimants, established guides to assist in making claims, showed flexibility on deadlines,  
and worked with the parties to identify and address capital needs. Further, the submissions  
show that capital needs can be addressed through other existing programs for capital  
funding. Capital needs cannot be addressed in isolation and require broader community  
 
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consultation. Canada submits it has been taking a community-centred approach to capital  
funding to address a community’s entire capital needs.  
[412] Canada submits the evidence demonstrates that ISC has been transparent with  
recipients on its implementation of the Tribunal’s orders and has engaged in dialogue to  
address capital needs. Further, Canada submits it is paying actual costs for aspects of Band  
Representative Services that are non-medical such as the expansion of office spaces and  
family support meeting spaces. Canada is paying actual costs which already reflects costs  
related to remoteness. The average claim is less than a quarter of the $1.5 million limit.  
[413] As Canada is paying actual costs, it is already required to pay any increase in costs  
due to remoteness. The dispute is properly characterized as a dispute about the scope of  
the Tribunal’s orders rather than an issue relating to remoteness. Nonetheless, the evidence  
demonstrates Canada has appropriately considered remoteness issues.  
[414] Canada submits that the order in 2018 CHRT 4 related to building repairs, with further  
context at paragraphs 212-213 of the decision. The orders do not require Canada to fund  
all costs tangentially related to Band Representative Services. Canada has generously  
interpreted the orders to support Band Representative Services in fulfilling their statutory  
functions.  
[415] Canada indicates that Ms. Wilkinson’s evidence, cited by NAN, demonstrates that  
building renovations and new buildings may not be eligible for funding under the Terms and  
Conditions but that they may nevertheless be considered on a case-by-case basis. Similarly,  
the letter NAN cites from Catherine Thai demonstrates Canada interpreted building repairs  
broadly to include expansions of space and vehicles. Canada declined funding for requests  
such as recreational and athletic facilities, cultural centres, and road maintenance. These  
reflect reasonable and rational distinctions.  
[416] Finally, Canada objects to NAN filing contested evidence through an affiant who lacks  
direct knowledge of the material as this undermines Canada’s ability to cross-examine on  
the matter.  
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[417] In sum, Canada submits that it has implemented the Panel’s orders in a manner that  
complies with the Financial Administration Act, satisfies the need for Parliamentary control  
of spending, and ensures the efficient, economic and prudent use of public resources.  
[418] Canada also submits that the Tribunal does not have the remedial power to dictate  
the specifics of Canada’s replacement policy for funding Band Representative Services.  
[419] Moreover, Canada contends that Ontario-specific orders are a significant expansion  
of the complaint.  
X.  
Capital for Band Representative Services and Prevention Services in Ontario  
Analysis  
[420] The Tribunal set out its initial reasoning in the letter-decision. The Tribunal is now  
providing the further analysis indicated in the letter-decision.  
[421] Given Canada’s concern about the manner in which the NAN filed contested  
evidence and the resulting prejudice Canada alleges from an inability to cross-examine an  
affiant with direct knowledge of pertinent evidence, the Panel declined to rely on the NAN’s  
evidence to inform the letter-decision and these subsequent reasons. The Panel took this  
approach out of an abundance of caution and because there was sufficient other evidence  
on which it could rely. The Panel nonetheless appreciates the NAN’s efforts to collect and  
submit this evidence, as this is the sort of precise evidence based on specific examples that  
demonstrates the effect of Canada’s policies and policy changes on individual First Nations  
children, families and communities. Nevertheless, there is sufficient evidence before the  
Tribunal to make findings for Ontario.  
[422] In particular, the order from 2018 CHRT 4 at paragraphs 336 and 426-427  
addressing Band Representative and Mental Health Services read as follows:  
[336] The Panel, pursuant to Section 53(2)(a) and (b) of the CHRA, orders  
Canada to fund Band Representative Services for Ontario First Nations, Tribal  
Councils or First Nations Child and Family Services Agencies at the actual  
cost of providing those services, retroactively to January 26, 2016 by  
February 15, 2018 or within 15 business days after receipt of the  
 
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documentation of expenses and until such time as studies have been  
completed or until a further order of the Panel.  
[…]  
[426] The Panel, pursuant to Section 53(2)(a) and (b) of the CHRA, orders  
Canada to fund actual costs of mental health services to First Nations children  
and youth from Ontario, including as provided by First Nations, Tribal  
Councils, First Nations Child and Family Services Agencies,  
parents/guardians or other representative entities retroactively to January 26,  
2016, by February 15, 2018, or within 15 business days after receipt of the  
documentation of expenses.  
[427]The Panel, pursuant to Section 53 (2) (a) and (b) of the CHRA, orders  
Canada to fund Band Representative Services for Ontario First Nations, at the  
actual cost of providing those services retroactively to January 26, 2016  
by February 15, 2018 and until such time as studies have been completed or  
until a further order of the Panel.  
[423] The Ontario child and family services, the 1965 Agreement and Band  
Representatives Services have always formed part of this claim. The Panel rejects Canada’s  
argument that Ontario-specific orders are a significant expansion of the complaint.  
[424] The 2018 CHRT 4 orders did not exclude actual costs for prevention for Band  
Representatives Services. The orders targeted Band Representative Services as a whole.  
Band Representatives are also part of the broader prevention efforts made by First Nations  
communities in Ontario to keep First Nations children in their homes, families and  
communities. Their actual costs should be funded by Canada, which includes the purchase  
or construction of capital assets that support prevention services and Band Representatives.  
[425] While the Panel never intended to exclude capital funding for Band Representatives  
and for prevention services which would go against the spirit of the Merit Decision, the Panel  
believes further clarification to its previous orders is required to make clear that prevention  
services and Band Representative Services on-reserve in Ontario are fully funded at actual  
costs including funding at actual costs for the purchase and/or construction of buildings for  
the delivery of services under the FNCFS Program. The funding should also include building  
repairs and/or expansion. This would be more responsive to the Tribunal’s goal to eliminate  
the systemic discrimination found while a long-term approach is developed.  
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[426] Canada has not successfully established a statutory exception under section 15 or  
16 of the CHRA, moreover, such a defence was not part of these proceedings that led to  
the Merit Decision and subsequent orders (see para. 460).  
[427] Furthermore, the Panel is not convinced that fully funding at actual costs prevention  
services and capital for the purchase and/or construction of buildings to support the delivery  
of Band Representatives goes against the Financial Administration Act, satisfying the need  
for parliamentary control of spending, and ensuring the efficient, economic and prudent use  
of public resources. In the 2016 Merit Decision, Canada was ordered to cease its  
discriminatory practices and reform the FNCFS Program and the 1965 Agreement to reflect  
the findings in the Merit Decision.  
[428] The same reasoning applies for fully funding the feasibilities studies and needs-  
assessments:  
The core of the discrimination found in the Merit Decision is systemic and was  
caused by Canada’s structure and funding methodology which was focused  
on financial considerations and not the best interests of children or their  
specific needs. The Panel’s orders intend to eliminate this racial systemic  
discrimination  
(see 2020 CHRT 24 at para. 41).  
[429] Timely interim positive measures are necessary while long-term reform is  
implemented.  
[430] The Panel agrees with the COO that there is a participatory or consultative role for  
Band Representatives in virtually all proceedings or actions under the CYFSA. If properly  
resourced, the CYFSA enables Band Representatives to be involved in almost every step  
of the child and family services agency’s intervention in a First Nations family, and by  
extension in the First Nation community. Band Representatives are not secondary to the  
child and family services system for First Nations children: they are central.  
[431] Further, the Tribunal has been presented with insufficient evidence to find that the  
discriminatory practices identified in the Merit Decision relating to the 1965 Agreement have  
been eliminated through reforms, amendments, or a replacement to the 1965 Agreement.  
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[432] In the Merit Decision, the Panel found that:  
AANDC’s design, management and control of the FNCFS  
Program, along with its corresponding funding formulas and the  
other related provincial/territorial agreements have resulted in  
denials of services and created various adverse impacts for  
many First Nations children and families living on reserves.  
Non-exhaustively, the main adverse impacts found by the Panel  
are:  
(…) The application of the 1965 Agreement in Ontario that has  
not been updated to ensure on-reserve communities can  
comply fully with Ontario’s Child and Family Services Act.  
Despite being aware of the adverse impacts resulting from the  
FNCFS Program for many years, AANDC has not significantly  
modified the program since its inception in 1990. Nor have the  
schedules of the 1965 Agreement in Ontario been updated  
since 1998.  
(…) AANDC is ordered to cease its discriminatory practices and  
reform the FNCFS Program and 1965 Agreement to reflect the  
findings in this decision (…).  
[433] While the Panel appreciates that this process takes time and thorough consultations  
for an optimal long-term approach, during this time best efforts need to be made to avoid  
gaps, lesser services or denials. Services have to be provided somewhere and not ensuring  
that this is the case is insufficiently responsive to address the discrimination in the immediate  
to mid-term.  
[434] Unlike FNCFS Agencies, First Nations in Ontario have not had access to funding “at  
actuals” for prevention services or related building repairs. First Nations in Ontario have  
funded prevention initiatives through Canada’s limited “immediate relief” allocations.  
[435] As First Nations in Ontario have expanded their capacity to deliver prevention and  
Band Representative Services to their citizens, a concomitant demand for space within  
which to deliver, manage, and govern these services has arisen.  
[436] The Panel finds that there is sufficient evidence to establish that the current approach  
results in insufficient funding for prevention services and space to offer Band  
Representatives Services on-reserves. Without adequate space, First Nations cannot  
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provide prevention services and Band Representative Services that meet the legal or ethical  
standards respecting client confidentiality and record security, or in some cases, provide  
any services at all. This results in either a lesser service or a denial of service to First Nations  
children. Canada’s conduct is contrary to the principle of substantive equality and the best  
interests of the child.  
[437] Furthermore, the Panel agrees with the COO that the Capital Directive demonstrates  
the process for access to funding for capital for FNCFS Agencies but Band Representative  
Services programs are not included in this Directive, (see Exhibit 7A to the Affidavit of Lorri  
Warner, sworn March 4, 2020 (First Nations Child and Family Services Program Directive:  
Agencies Funding Stream Capital Expenditures)).  
[438] The Panel also agrees the funding guide shows that capital for Band Representative  
programs is not included as an eligible expense and is to be dealt with in the FNCFS Terms  
and Conditions, but it is not in fact dealt with in the FNCFS Terms and Conditions (see  
Ontario Region Guide (Draft) for Reimbursement of 2019-2020 First Nations Child and  
Family Services (FNCFS) Band Representative Services Actual Costs Resulting from the  
Canadian Human Rights Tribunal Orders. Exhibit 7A to the Affidavit of Lorri Warner, sworn  
March 4, 2020 (First Nations Child and Family Services Program Directive: Agencies  
Funding Stream Capital Expenditures)).  
[439] The Panel accepts the NAN’s argument that First Nations are providing prevention  
and Band Representative Services without sufficient funding for capital and infrastructure in  
a context of a chronic infrastructure deficit felt particularly strongly in remote and Northern  
communities. The lack of infrastructure includes a lack of housing which hinders the ability  
to find suitable foster homes in the community and the ability to hire staff from outside the  
community. NAN adds that in many of its communities, the issue is not simply inadequate  
buildings hindering program delivery, but often a complete absence of available buildings.  
[440] Canada submits in paying actual costs this already reflects costs related to  
remoteness. The Panel accepts this assertion. Nevertheless, the Panel values the  
remoteness quotient developed with the NAN’s expertise and believes it will be very useful  
in different ways including developing a new equitable funding formula for the Northern and  
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remote communities in Ontario. However, the Panel finds the issue here is related to  
insufficient and capped funding for capital assets and prevention services because of  
Canada’s policies including its interpretation of the Tribunal’s orders.  
[441] Moreover,  
the CCCW was keen on finding practical solutions to address the growing  
frustration among leadership in remote communities that arises when claims  
are categorized as complex or are denied. It was requested that ISC notes  
where Terms and Conditions influence or constrain objectives and this be  
revisited in light of them being operation guidelines that may not align with  
CHRT orders or that Act. ISC reminded the Committee of their obligation to  
adhere to the Terms and Conditions set forth by the Treasury Board,  
(see CCCW draft record of decisions January 14, 2020 exhibit “A” to the  
Record of Documents of the Chiefs of Ontario and the Attorney General of  
Canada dated April 9, 2020 tab 1).  
[442] The Panel agrees with the COO that Canada’s failure to adequately fund capital for  
Band Representative programs means that First Nations are unable to take full advantage  
of their rights or exercise their duties under the CYFSA, such that the discrimination the  
Tribunal sought to correct is perpetuated.  
[443] Moreover, Canada’s failure to adequately fund the capital needs of Band  
Representative programs inhibits the delivery of community-based, culturally appropriate  
child and family services to First Nations children.  
[444] Canada also submits that a process for First Nations to prioritize their capital needs  
within the Department exists. The Panel accepts Ms. Wilkinson's evidence that Canada is  
engaging with First Nations on their priorities (see Transcript of the May 14, 2019 Cross-  
examination of Joanne Wilkinson, p. 155, lines. 1-20). Again, the Panel believes that  
Canada is discussing with First Nations to identify their long-term needs and this is essential.  
As explained above, First Nation driven changes, priorities, plans and holistic approach is  
ideal if it materializes. The Panel believes that it does in some cases.  
[445] In the same vein, Canada submits the requested order would put First Nations Child  
and Family Services at the front of the line for funds on every reserve, which would fail to  
respect the prioritization identified by individual communities. This could cause delays to  
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other important projects identified as a priority by the community. ISC is open to and willing  
to explore changes to the process as it currently stands, but that requires technical  
conversations that ought to take place during meetings of the CCCW as well as direct  
consultations with First Nations communities. The Panel understands this and agrees.  
[446] However, in the interim, the orders in this ruling taking into account the need for the  
First Nations approval will assist in ensuring that the real needs of First Nations and First  
Nations children and families on reserve are addressed expeditiously to respond to gaps  
and avoid delays in service delivery.  
[447] Moreover, in the event that a First Nations’ priority is to gain more space to offer Band  
Representative and prevention services, the Panel finds in light of the evidence, an order  
should clarify this ought to be fully funded at actual costs until such time as a new non-  
discriminatory and adequate funding formula is developed.  
[448] The Panel finds that reliable evidence before the Tribunal also demonstrates that  
when some specific rights-holders. First Nations expressed their specific needs and  
requested assistance for non-trivial things to support the delivery of services, some of those  
reasonable requests were denied.  
[449] Wabaseemoong Independent Nations and Asubpeeschoseewagong Netum  
Anishinabek (Grassy Narrows First Nation) illustrate the capital and infrastructure issues  
facing some Band Representative programs. Both of these First Nations sought reasonable  
amounts of funding to meet the capital needs of their programs. Canada denied both claims.  
[450] The Panel believes these two First Nations are unable to operate their Band  
Representative programs in a manner consistent with the governing legal and ethical  
standards. Without adequate space, Band Representatives cannot ensure that client  
confidentiality is protected, or that records of personal information are collected, retained,  
and disposed of properly. Yet the programs in these two First Nations continue to operate,  
despite the inability to meet legislated and ethical confidentiality standards, to provide  
community-based, culturally safe child and family services that offer children a connection  
to their land, kin networks, language and culture, and a voice within the child protection  
system.  
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[451] ISC did not apply a substantive equality lens or provide a holistic response that  
referred to Jordan’s Principle, possibly because there are no capital funds available for  
Jordan’s Principle. Similarly, no information was provided on how to access funds  
elsewhere. More importantly, the First Nations provided detailed information about their  
specific needs and those did not trigger a comprehensive substantive equality analysis.  
[452] The funding requests were handled by the Child and Family Services Reform and  
Transformation branch, Ontario Region, ISC and went to ISC’s headquarters. Of note, ISC  
was ordered to eliminate the lack of coordination that affect First Nations children and  
Canada previously argued the ISC merge was also to respond to the lack of coordination  
identified in the Merit Decision amongst other goals.  
[453] The evidence is found at Tab 3 of the COO’s record of documents dated April 9,  
2020.  
Child and Family Services Program  
Denied Claim for Payment of Actual Costs Interim Appeal Process  
An appeal can be initiated by a First Nations child and family services  
(FNCFS) agency funding recipient or other requester (e.g., Band for Band  
Representative funds) once a claim for reimbursement or advance funding for  
actuals has been denied or partially denied by the Assistant Deputy Minister,  
Children and Family Services Reform, Indigenous Services Canada, pursuant  
to the escalation protocol.  
In rendering a determination on appeal, the following factors may be  
considered:  
Substantive equality and the provision of culturally  
appropriate services, including the distinct needs and  
circumstances of children and families living on reserve (e.g.,  
cultural, historical, and geographical needs and circumstances);  
The best interests of the children;  
Whether the cost, if retroactive, was actually incurred  
before the claim for reimbursement was submitted;  
Whether the cost has been covered by another  
government or funder;  
Whether the cost is eligible for reimbursement (e.g.,  
whether the request can be authorized under the existing Terms  
and Conditions of the program); and  
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Whether the claimant is eligible for funding, as per the  
existing Terms and Conditions.  
[454] Wabaseemoong’s request was denied. Therefore, it followed the appeals process  
and submitted a detailed response. Portions of its rationale are provided below:  
Wabaseemoong Independent Nations’ Band Representative program is  
called Nigonigawbow, which means “the person that stands ahead” in  
Anishinaabemowin. Nigonigawbow describes the protector of children and is  
derived from Wabaseemoong’s traditional customary care practices.  
Wabaseemoong submitted two claims for Band Representative services for  
fiscal year 2019- 2020: one claim for staff and program needs, which was  
approved, and one for a modular trailer in which Nigonigawbow would  
operate, which was denied. Wabaseemoong appeals the denial of funding for  
the modular trailer.  
As detailed in Wabaseemoong’s initial and amended submissions for the  
trailer, Nigonigawbow requires the following space: offices for the two Band  
Representatives, the Social Director, the Secretary, and Human Resources;  
a room for records storage; a room for Indigenous dispute resolution circles;  
a room for repatriation workers; an Elders’ room; and a larger space for  
community consultation and gatherings.  
The claim for the trailer was submitted to Indigenous Services Canada (ISC)  
on August 8, 2019. The initial submission for the trailer was for $1,196,355;  
this amount was later reduced to $898,250 on September 3, 2019, based on  
discussions between Wabaseemoong staff and ISC (please see the related  
email thread attached as Appendix A). After numerous emails and phone calls  
between Wabaseemoong and ISC, the Nigonigawbow submission for the  
trailer was ultimately denied by ISC on November 15, 2019, 99 days after the  
initial submission. This is 84 days over the 15 day time for processing Band  
Representative Services claims prescribed by the Canadian Human Rights  
Tribunal in First Nations Child and Family Caring Society of Canada et al v  
Canada, 2018 CHRT 4 (para 427).  
ISC’s reason for denying funding for the trailer was “expenditures listed in your  
payment request for BRS extend beyond the CHRT Order 427” (see enclosed  
denial email addressed to Chief Scott). ISC also stated in the denial email to  
Chief Scott that “Canada is required to reimburse or fund BRS for Ontario First  
Nations based on actual costs and needs to support eligible activities funded  
under the Program”.  
As detailed in Wabaseemoong’s submissions for the trailer, there is no office  
or program space at all in the community for Nigonigawbow. Wabaseemoong  
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is a semi-remote First Nation in Northwestern Ontario. The community has  
severely limited infrastructure; all buildings residential and business are  
filled beyond capacity. Nigonigawbow staff currently offer programming out of  
a corner of the community hall. This is a public space with no washrooms or  
kitchen. It is not wheelchair accessible. There is no fire safety equipment. The  
doors are broken making the space extremely cold. It is entirely unsuitable for  
child welfare programming involving children and families. The Nigonigawbow  
office space is in a public shared hallway in the Council chambers, with many  
of the same limitations as the programming space. There is no privacy for  
client meetings, phone calls, or to receive faxes and materials from Children’s  
Aid Societies, nor is there a secure place to store confidential records. There  
is nowhere for the Elder to keep medicines and store ceremonial items. All of  
these challenges raise serious issues for staff health and safety and the  
Nations’ potential exposure to liability due to the lack of confidential office or  
record storage space.  
There is no alternative space on the reserve (either to rent or purchase) for  
Nigonigawbow’s operations. The only alternative would be for the program to  
relocate off-reserve which would inhibit the Nations’ ability to offer culturally-  
appropriate services, result in gaps in child welfare services for on-reserve  
families, and is not in line with the Nations’ priorities.  
…ISC’s denial of funding for a trailer for Nigonigawbow is also inconsistent  
with the principle of substantive equality, a principle to which the government  
is bound pursuant to Section 11 of An Act respecting First Nations, Inuit and  
Métis children, youth and families, SC 2019, c 24 (the Act). Section 11 of the  
Act provides that “child and family services provided in relation to an  
Indigenous child are to be provided in a manner that […] promotes substantive  
equality between the child and other children”. Funding of a program is a  
service as per First Nations Child and Family Caring Society of Canada et al  
v Canada, 2016 CHRT 2. Accordingly, Band Representative Services  
funding, as a service provided by Canada, must be provided in a manner that  
promotes substantive equality.  
Nigonigawbow requires physical space in which to deliver Band  
Representative Services and programming. Mainstream and Indigenous child  
welfare agencies are provided with funding to meet their capital needs, yet  
Wabaseemoong, as a First Nation seeking to deliver its own Band  
Representative Services, is being denied funding to meet its capital needs.  
This constitutes differential treatment in the provision of child and family  
services to the Indigenous children of Wabaseemoong and is contrary to the  
principle of substantive equality and the best interests of the child.  
In its decision on the merits, First Nations Child and Family Caring Society of  
Canada et al v Canada, 2016 CHRT 2, the Tribunal held the following  
regarding Band Representative Services:  
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Not only does the Band Representative address the need for  
culturally relevant services, but it also addresses the goal of  
keeping families and communities together and is directly  
provided for in Ontario’s Child and Family Services Act.  
(Footnote 1: January 2016 Decision at para 348).  
[…]  
If funding does not correspond to the actual child welfare needs  
of a specific First Nation community, then how is it expected to  
provide services that are culturally appropriate? With unrealistic  
funding, how are some First Nations communities expected to  
address the effects of Residential Schools? It will be difficult if  
not impossible to do, resulting in more kids ending up in care  
and perpetuating the cycle of control that outside forces have  
exerted over Aboriginal culture and identity. (Footnote 2:  
January 2016 Decision at para 425).  
Similar to the Residential Schools era, today, the fate and future  
of many First Nations children is still being determined by the  
government, whether it is through the application of restrictive  
and inadequate funding formulas or through bilateral  
agreements with the provinces. The purpose of having a First  
Nation community deliver child and family services, and to be  
involved through a Band Representative, is to ensure services  
are culturally appropriate and reflect the needs of the  
community. This in turn may help legitimize the child and family  
services in the eyes of the community, increasing their  
effectiveness, and ultimately help rebuild individuals, families  
and communities that have been heavily affected by the  
Residential Schools system and other historical trauma.  
(Footnote 3: January 2016 Decision at para 426).  
By denying funding for the capital needs associated with Nigonigawbow ISC  
is continuing to discriminate against Wabaseemoong and inhibiting the  
delivery of culturally-appropriate community-based Band Representative  
Services to Indigenous children. The First Nation cannot deliver Band  
Representative Services without a safe, secure, confidential space. The  
continued delivery of services without a safe, secure, confidential space is  
contrary to social work practices and risks contravening the CYFSA. Canada  
was ordered to remedy its discrimination against First Nations children in  
Ontario by funding Band Representative Services at the “actual cost”; for  
Wabaseemoong, this includes a modular building. This is a legal prerogative  
Canada must respect.  
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We also understand that Canada’s staff may not be aware of the range of  
services provided by Nigonigawbow, and may not understand the  
infrastructure conditions inWabaseemoong. As such, as part of your decision-  
making process we invite you to visit our community to experience the  
challenges we face in program and service delivery.  
[455] The original denial email was included in the appeals form and reads as follows:  
Dear Chief Scott:  
This email is in response to the 2019-20 advance request submitted on  
September 11, 2019, by Wabaseemoong Independent Nations seeking a  
reimbursement based on actual needs for Band Representative Services  
(BRS) under the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal (CHRT) decision, Order  
427.  
Following the payment request in the amount of $1,196,355.00, the  
Department requested additional clarifications to support the review process.  
Given the complexity of the request as well as the nature of the activities,  
additional time to complete the review was requested and an email was sent  
to Wabaseemoong Independent Nations regarding the status of the payment  
and that the 15-day timeline process had paused.  
The Department has now finalized its review and the payment request in the  
amount of $1,196,355.00 to support the acquisition of a modular trailer which  
would serve as an office building to deliver prevention programming was  
considered ineligible as per the First Nation Child and Family Services  
(FNCFS) Program Terms and Conditions and the Ontario Recipient Guide for  
BRS.  
[456] While the Panel has little information about Canada’s response to the appeal, the  
COO submits it was denied.  
[457] The appeal form contains more information on the request than in the original  
request. However, as shown in tab 3 of the COO’s record, there is sufficient evidence for  
the Panel to find that it is more probable than not that the original denial was not based on  
substantive quality principles and that no alternatives were provided to Wabaseemoong  
Independent Nations when the claim was denied. The claim was deemed ineligible as per  
the FNCFS Program Terms and Conditions and the Ontario Recipient Guide for Band  
Representative Services.  
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[458] This type of situation is precisely what should trigger an adequate substantive  
equality analysis according to the Wabaseemoong Independent Nations’ priorities and  
specific needs. There are ample reasons in all the Tribunal’s numerous rulings to indicate  
what substantive equality is. The Panel finds in light of the above and the remaining  
evidence found at tab 3 of the COO’s record of documents, that a case-by-case approach  
used by Canada should have yielded a positive result. This also demonstrates a unilateral  
decision and a disregard for the real needs of First Nations children and families that form  
part of these proceedings.  
[459] Furthermore, Canada relies heavily on its discussions with First Nations and  
respecting their priorities when this was not done here.  
[460] The Panel arrives to a similar conclusion in the situation of Asubpeeschoseewagong  
Netum Anishinabek where the Band Representative program operates out of a single room  
in a shared trailer in what used to be the Chief and Council Chambers before the leadership  
moved out in order to allow the Band Representatives to use the space. Consequently, the  
Chief and Council no longer have offices or chambers. Their request to use their surplus  
funds was denied. (See tab 4 of the COO's record of documents, April 9, 2020).  
[461] While the Panel appreciates that this may not always be the case, these examples  
support the COO and the NAN’s positions and some of their requested orders.  
[462] In light of the above, the same can be said about Canada’s argument that the  
requested order would make child and family services the infrastructure priority for all  
communities which could cause delays for other infrastructure projects identified as a priority  
by the community. This submission is unconvincing especially if Canada applies a  
substantive equality leans to specific needs identified by First Nations.  
[463] The Panel believes a further clarification order is necessary, five and a half years  
after the Merit Decision and three years after the 2018 CHRT 4 ruling, to be sufficiently  
responsive to the discrimination identified in the Merit Decision and subsequent rulings while  
complete reform is achieved.  
[464] This order could be revisited once new information and/or studies are completed.  
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[465] While Ms. Wilkinson, testified that Canada was going beyond the building repair  
orders she also admitted to the Chair that there were also 2016 orders to cease the  
discrimination according to all the findings in the decision.  
THE CHAIR: You understand that the pieces that you referred to were  
immediate relief. Do you understand that the Tribunal had phased ---  
THE WITNESS: Yes, absolutely.  
THE CHAIR: Okay.  
THE WITNESS: Yes.  
THE CHAIR: And do you recall that in our decision in 2016 we also said cease  
the discriminatory practice according to all the findings in the decision?  
THE WITNESS: Yes  
(see cross-examination of Ms. Johanne Wilkinson dated May 7, 2019 at p.163  
lines 5-14).  
[466] Some of those 2016 findings clearly addressed Band Representatives and the need  
to shift to prevention.  
[467] Canada submits that the Tribunal does not have the remedial power to dictate the  
specifics of Canada’s replacement policy for funding Band Representative Services. The  
Panel has the remedial power to ensure that the systemic discrimination found is eliminated  
and does not reoccur and that Canada’s actions are responsive to its orders to cease its  
discriminatory practices and reform the FNCFS Program and 1965 Agreement to reflect the  
findings in the Merit Decision.  
[468] Canada can apply a real substantive equality analysis and adopt a policy that is  
responsive to the systemic discrimination without waiting for the Panel to issue clarification  
orders. In all fairness, Canada has done this in many instances but there is room for  
improvement and consistency such as in this case.  
[469] Services have to be delivered in adequate spaces. Not providing adequate space is  
preventing the provision of those services.  
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[470] The Panel is not dictating the specifics of the replacement policy. It simply ensures  
the replacement policy is effective in light of the evidence and its findings and does not  
perpetuate discrimination, repeat past flaws and errors:  
Despite the discordance between Ontario’s Child and Families Services Act  
and AANDC’s policy to no longer fund Band Representatives, Minister  
Duncan indicated that “it falls within the responsibilities of First Nation  
governments to determine their level of engagement in child welfare matters”  
and “we do not foresee the Government of Canada providing funding support  
in this area” (Annex, ex. 27 at p.1)  
(see Merit Decision at para. 238, emphasis added).  
[471] There is a striking resemblance between this finding and Canada’s arguments as  
part of this motion: Canada must now be given time to follow the democratic structures and  
rules in place to ensure accountability in spending public funds. Most importantly, there is  
no reason to disrupt the current system, which depends on communities to develop and  
prioritize their needs. This argument is one of the main arguments that was rejected in 2016  
and systemic discrimination was found.  
[472] Another excerpt form the Merit Decision is helpful here:  
In terms of infrastructure and capacity building, the 1965 Agreement has not  
provided for the cost-sharing of capital expenditures since 1975 (see  
testimony of P. Digby, Transcript Vol. 59 at p. 93). Ms. Stevens explained the  
impact of this on her organization: many high-risk children are sent outside  
the community to receive services because there is no treatment centre in the  
community. Abinoojii Family Services spends approximately 2 to 3 million a  
year sending children outside their community. According to Ms. Stevens,  
there are not enough resources to build a treatment centre or develop  
programs to assist these high-risk children because those funds are  
expended on meeting the current needs of those children (see Transcript Vol.  
25 at p. 32).  
(see Merit Decision at para. 245, emphasis added).  
[473] Furthermore, Canada submits there is no ongoing discrimination regarding capital  
expenditures. However, the Panel finds that ISC affiants admit that conversations to address  
capital expenditures are still ongoing to understand needs and to “build a casefor new  
authorities. In the interim, needs are only partially addressed and funding is capped, and  
case-by-case requests for additional funds may end up being denied as explained above.  
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This approach falls short. Canada did not establish that its current approach is sufficiently  
responsive to eliminate the systemic discrimination.  
[474] On the issue of prevention services provided by First Nations in Ontario, the Panel  
did not make specific actual costs orders for other prevention services except for mental  
health services and Band Representatives. The Panel finds that some improvements were  
made and that Canada did provide funding through limited immediate relief allocations for  
prevention services in Ontario. Canada also provided funding at actual costs for Band  
Representatives services except for actual costs of building purchase and construction.  
Consequently, the funding is still insufficient to meet the real needs of the First Nations  
children and families on-reserve in Ontario.  
[475] Prevention services must be funded at actuals including capital for the purchase  
and/or construction of buildings to support the delivery of prevention and Band  
Representative services in order to start addressing the systemic discrimination identified in  
the Merit Decision while Canada develops a new, adequate long-term funding formula that  
is informed by studies and consultations. This is necessary given the significant passage of  
time since the Merit Decision and even since the more recent 2018 CHRT 4. Ms. Isaak  
recognized that First Nations in Ontario are different because prevention is provided through  
communities, (see Cross examination of Ms. Paula Isaak, October 30, 2018 (“Paula Isaak  
Cross”), p. 111-112, lines 20-7).  
[476] Moreover, the Panel agrees with the COO that First Nations in Ontario are directly  
engaged in providing prevention and Band Representative Services to their First Nations  
citizens. This growth in programming has not been appropriately supported, which has put  
pressure on the already overburdened capital and infrastructure of First Nations in Ontario.  
[477] For those reasons, the Panel finds a further clarification order is warranted.  
[478] The Panel also wishes to address the feasibility studies and needs assessments off-  
reserve.  
[479] The off-reserve portion of the order for feasibility studies and needs assessments  
applies to First Nations agencies and communities that also operate off-reserve under the  
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Federal Program for the Ontario region. The federal government submits that the Terms  
and Conditions and authorities for the FNCFS Program do not permit the expenditure of  
funds on infrastructure off-reserve. This level of expansion of the program would require  
additional authorities, and would be better facilitated through the Community Infrastructure  
Branch.  
[480] This ruling addresses all services under the FNCFS Program and Jordan’s Principle,  
prevention services and Band Representatives. Jordan’s Principle is not restricted to  
services on-reserve and intertwines with the other services especially when there are gaps.  
In a holistic perspective, feasibility studies and needs assessments would potentially assist  
in identifying specific needs for the First Nations agencies and communities who operate  
off-reserve and highlight what is the federal government’s responsibility and what is not.  
These reasons also apply to all off-reserve orders in this ruling for feasibility studies and  
needs assessments.  
Order  
Pursuant to section 53 (2) of the CHRA, the Tribunal orders Canada to:  
Fund actuals costs for Band Representatives and prevention services  
on-reserve within 30 days of this order and advise the First Nations in  
writing.  
Consult with COO and the NAN, advise in writing and provide funding  
for Ontario First Nations to conduct feasibility studies and needs-  
assessments for the purchase and/or construction of capital assets  
that support the delivery of Band Representatives and prevention  
services on-reserve and off-reserve when applicable under the Federal  
Program in Ontario within 30 days of this order. Canada shall post this  
information on the ISC website.  
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XI.  
Small Agency Reimbursement Context  
[481] The Tribunal, in 2018 CHRT 4, directed Canada to reimburse small FNCFS Agencies  
for downward adjustments to their funding that Canada imposed based on the small number  
of children they serve. In particular, the Tribunal made the following order in paragraphs  
251-252:  
The Panel, pursuant to Section 53 (2) (a) of the CHRA orders  
Canada, pending long term reform of its National FNCFS  
Program funding formulas and models, to eliminate that aspect  
of its funding formulas/models that creates an incentive  
resulting in the unnecessary apprehension of First Nations  
children from their families and/or communities. To this effect,  
and pursuant to Section 53 (2) (a) of the CHRA, the Panel  
orders Canada to develop an alternative system for funding  
small first nations agencies based on actual needs which  
operates on the same basis as INAC’s current funding practices  
for funding child welfare maintenance costs, that is, by fully  
reimbursing actual costs for these services, as determined by  
the FNCFC agencies to be in the best interests of the child and  
develop and implement the methodology including an  
accountability framework in consultation with AFN, the Caring  
Society, the Commission, the COO and the NAN (see protocol  
order below), by April 2, 2018 and report back to the Panel by  
May 3, 2018.  
The Panel, pursuant to Section 53 (2) (a) of the CHRA, orders  
Canada to cease its discriminatory funding practice of not fully  
funding the small first nations agencies’ costs. In order to  
ensure proper data collection and to be responsive to the real  
needs of first nations children, the Panel orders Canada, to  
provide funding on actual costs small first nations agencies’ for  
reimbursed retroactive to January 26, 2016 by April 2, 2018.  
This order complements the order above.  
[482] The Caring Society’s current motion seeks further clarification and direction relating  
to the portion of the order directing Canada to “provide funding on actual costs to First  
Nations Agencies, to be reimbursed retroactive to January 26, 2016.” In particular, the  
Caring Society’s motion is brought to address how the actual costs of these agencies should  
be determined for the purpose of reimbursements under this order.  
 
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[483] The Panel has considered the specific funding challenges of small FNCFS Agencies  
at various points in previous decisions, going back to the Merit Decision. In the Merit  
Decision, the Panel found, in paragraph 384, that  
[f]or small and remote agencies, the population thresholds of  
Directive 20-1 significantly reduce their operations budgets,  
affecting their ability to provide effective programming, respond  
to emergencies and, for some, put them in jeopardy of closing.  
[484] Later in the decision, at paragraph 386, the Panel found that  
AANDC incorporated some of the same shortcomings of  
Directive 20-1 into the EPFA, such as the assumptions about  
children in care and population levels, along with the fixed  
streams of funding for operations and prevention. Despite being  
aware of these shortcomings in Directive 20-1 based on  
numerous reports, AANDC has not followed the  
recommendations in those reports and has perpetuated the  
main shortcoming of the FNCFS Program: the incentive to take  
children into care - to remove them from their families.  
[485] Similarly, in the Merit Decision at paragraph 389, the Panel found:  
Given the current funding structure for the FNCFS Program is  
not adapted to provincial/territorial legislation and standards, it  
often creates funding deficiencies for such items as salaries and  
benefits, training, cost of living, legal costs, insurance  
premiums, travel, remoteness, multiple offices, capital  
infrastructure, culturally appropriate programs and services,  
band representatives, and least disruptive measures. It is  
difficult, if not impossible, for many FNCFS Agencies to comply  
with provincial/territorial child and family services legislation and  
standards without appropriate funding for these items; or, in the  
case of many small and remote agencies, to even provide child  
and family services.  
[486] In summarizing its key findings in paragraph 458 of the Merit Decision, the Panel  
noted that  
The design and application of the Directive 20-1 funding  
formula, which provides funding based on flawed assumptions  
about children in care and population thresholds that do not  
accurately reflect the service needs of many on-reserve  
communities. This results in inadequate fixed funding for  
operation (capital costs, multiple offices, cost of living  
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adjustment, staff salaries and benefits, training, legal,  
remoteness and travel) and prevention costs (primary,  
secondary and tertiary services to maintain children safely in  
their family homes), hindering the ability of FNCFS Agencies to  
provide provincially/territorially mandated child welfare  
services, let alone culturally appropriate services to First  
Nations children and families and, providing an incentive to  
bring children into care because eligible maintenance  
expenditures are reimbursable at cost.  
[487] In 2016 CHRT 10, the Tribunal directed Canada to take immediate measures to  
address items, which included “assumptions based on population thresholds and children  
in care to fund the operations budgets of FNCFS Agencies” and that “AANDC incorporated  
some of the same shortcomings of Directive 20-1 into the EPFA, such as the assumptions  
about children in care and population levels, along with the fixed streams of funding for  
operations and prevention” (paras. 10 and 23).  
[488] In 2016 CHRT 16, the Panel reiterated its relief order from 2016 CHRT 10, including  
the portion related to “remote and/or small agencies” (2016 CHRT 16 at para. 36). Further,  
INAC [was] ordered to immediately stop formulaically reducing funding based on arbitrary  
population thresholds” (para. 40). Accordingly, the Tribunal ordered, at paragraph 160(A)(5),  
that  
In determining funding for FNCFS Agencies, INAC is to cease  
the practice of formulaically reducing funding for agencies that  
serve fewer than 251 eligible children. Rather, funding must be  
determined on an assessment of the actual service level needs  
of each FNCFS Agency, regardless of population level.  
[489] In 2018 CHRT 4, the Panel found that Canada was not in full compliance with  
previous orders relating to small agencies and therefore issued subsequent orders. For  
example, in paragraph 247, the Tribunal found that “[w]hile Canada complied to stop  
reducing the agencies’ funding for those who serve less than 251 children, the Panel finds  
Canada not in full compliance with its previous orders. This Panel ordered Canada to  
eliminate population thresholds and levels and, to immediately address adverse impacts for  
small agencies who encounter the greatest challenges especially, if they are isolated.”  
Accordingly, the Tribunal issued the orders at paragraphs 251-252 that are already  
reproduced at the outset of this section.  
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[490] As already noted, the issue in this motion involves retroactive funding for FNCFS  
Agencies for the period between January 26, 2016 and February 1, 2018. During that period,  
the FNCFS Program funding formula estimated costs for certain expenses on a core funding  
list such as the Board of Directors, the director, HR services, administrative overhead,  
insurance and audit. For agencies serving less than 800 children, this amount was reduced.  
Until the Tribunal’s order in 2016 CHRT 16, the reduction ranged from a 12.5% reduction  
for FNCFS Agencies serving 700-799 children to an 87.5% reduction for FNCFS Agencies  
serving 100-199 children (see Canada’s September 30, 2016 Compliance Report at Annex  
C and Canada’s October 31, 2016 Compliance Report at pp 4-5).  
[491] The parties have established the CCCW to attempt to implement the remedy in this  
decision and resolve any outstanding matters that may arise. This issue of reimbursement  
for the downward scaling of small FNCFS Agency funding has been subject to such  
discussions. Through that process, Canada indicated that it is willing to provide retroactive  
reimbursement for expenses actually incurred and for retroactive salary increases for small  
FNCFS Agency staff in accordance with provincial standards.  
XII. Small Agency Reimbursement Party Submissions  
A.  
The Caring Society  
[492] The Caring Society seeks the following orders:  
1. Canada shall reimburse small FNCFS Agencies (serving fewer than 800  
registered Indian children) for any funding reduction related to Canada’s  
application of downward adjustments based on population thresholds in its  
operations formula for core funding, retroactive to January 26, 2016, where  
those amounts have not yet been reimbursed pursuant to the Tribunal’s  
February 1, 2018 Order (2018 CHRT 4); and  
2. Canada shall contact all small FNCFS Agencies within six weeks of the  
date of the Order to advise them of the Order.  
[493] The Caring Society’s central argument is that the funding formula was designed to  
fund FNCFS Agencies based on the government’s costing model, to which the downward  
scaling was applied for small agencies. Therefore, the Panel’s order in 2018 CHRT 4 to  
   
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reimburse small agencies for actual costs should be based on the actual costs identified in  
the funding model, excluding the downward scaling, rather than expenses actually paid.  
[494] The Caring Society does not consider Canada’s position that it will provide  
reimbursement for expenses actually incurred and retroactive staff salary and benefit  
increases in accordance with provincial standards to be adequate compensation.  
[495] The Caring Society reviews the Panel’s findings in earlier decisions, going back to  
the Merit Decision, that Canada’s downward scaling of core funding for agencies serving  
less than 800 children registered under the Indian Act, RSC 1985, c I-5, was discriminatory.  
In particular, the Caring Society cites paragraphs 384, 386, 389 and 458 of the Merit  
Decision; paragraph 23 of 2016 CHRT 10; paragraphs 24, 29, 36, 40 and 160(A)(5) of 2016  
CHRT 16; and paragraphs 154, 195, 247, 251, 252, 420, and 421 of 2018 CHRT 4 as  
examples of the problems the Panel identified with Canada’s funding of small agencies and  
the corresponding remedial orders the Panel made. The amendments to paragraph 421 of  
2018 CHRT 4 do not change the analysis of the current issue.  
[496] The Caring Society identifies how the costing model funded certain functions on a  
pro-rated manner for small agencies and also imposed varying downward scaling to the  
assumed costs for agencies serving less than 800 children. The Caring Society understands  
this practice was applicable during the 2015/16, 2016/17 and first 10 months of the 2017/18  
fiscal years. Collectively, the downward scaling during this timeframe resulted in $29.6  
million that small FNCFCS Agencies did not receive.  
[497] The Caring Society disagrees with Canada’s argument that the Financial  
Administration Act limits funding to works, goods or services because the payments would  
be made pursuant to a Tribunal order. Further, the Caring Society argues that these  
expenses should already have been budgeted and included in the annual appropriations.  
[498] Further, Canada calculates administrative overhead based on a percentage of  
salaries and benefits rather than at actual cost. It seems particularly unclear why Canada  
would not be willing to provide corresponding retroactive funding for administrative overhead  
based on retroactive increases to salaries it is willing to provide. The Caring Society submits  
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that the Tribunal’s previous orders require providing small FNCFS Agencies with the entirety  
of their core funding.  
[499] The Caring Society argues that it is unreasonable to require small FNCFS Agencies  
to have actually incurred relevant expenses in order to be eligible for reimbursement. It is  
unreasonable to expect these agencies to have spent money they did not have. They should  
be placed in the financial position they would have been in had Canada immediately  
complied with the Tribunal’s order on January 26, 2016.  
B.  
Commission  
[500] The Commission takes no position on the requested order but hopes to provide some  
background and general comments to assist the Panel.  
[501] At the time of the Merit Decision, Canada’s funding formula contained downward  
adjustments for small FNCFS Agencies tied to a small number of population thresholds. A  
slight change in child population could lead to a huge change in funding from crossing a  
threshold. The Tribunal found that the child population thresholds were discriminatory  
because they did not reflect actual service needs and provided inadequate fixed funding for  
operation and prevention. In 2018 CHRT 4, the Tribunal found that Canada’s interim change  
of no longer reducing funding for agencies serving less than 251 children was not sufficient  
to remedy the problem identified in the Merit Decision. Accordingly, the Tribunal ordered  
Canada to analyze the results of FNCFS Agenciesneeds assessment, do a cost-analysis  
of the real needs of small agencies, develop an alternative system of funding small agencies  
based on the actual costs of providing appropriate services, cease the practice of not fully  
funding the costs of small agencies, and to provide retroactive funding of costs back to  
January 26, 2016.  
[502] Subsequently, Canada funded the needs assessment completed by the IFSD.  
Canada has established a process for small agencies to obtain funding for the actual cost  
of services delivery and encourages them to reach out if they have unmet needs. Canada  
has also published guides for procedures for claiming retroactive reimbursement of  
expenses incurred. The Caring Society has taken the position that the ruling requires the  
 
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retroactive provision of the full funding that would have been available had Canada not had  
the downwards scaling rather than only providing reimbursement for expenses actually  
incurred.  
[503] The Commission acknowledges that Canada has taken steps such as funding the  
IFSD report, creating a process for reimbursement of past expenses actually incurred, and  
discussing this matter while paying actual costs on an interim basis.  
[504] Nonetheless, the parties have reached an impasse in discussions on this matter and  
the Commission looks forward to any guidance the Tribunal provides.  
[505] The Commission further notes that it would be open to enforceable timelines relating  
to the IFSD report and remoteness report aimed at developing a long-term funding approach  
for small agencies.  
C.  
Assembly of First Nations  
[506] The AFN supports the Caring Society’s position.  
D.  
The Chiefs of Ontario  
[507] The COO did not make submissions on this issue.  
E.  
Nishnawbe Aski Nation  
[508] NAN did not make submissions on this issue.  
F.  
Canada  
[509] Canada requests that the motion be dismissed. Canada submits that it has complied  
with the Tribunal’s order to fund small agencies at actual costs retroactive to January 26,  
2016. Canada submits that the requested order is in effect a request for compensation and  
general damages for small FNCFS Agencies which goes beyond the Tribunal’s order of  
restitution for monies spent.  
       
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[510] Canada reviews that the Merit Decision addressed Canada’s funding approach for  
small FNCFS Agencies serving a child population of less than 1000. Core and administrative  
funding were scaled down for agencies serving fewer than 800 children. The issue was  
subsequently addressed in 2016 CHRT 16 and 2018 CHRT 4.  
[511] Canada subsequently revised its policies to provide actual cost funding to smaller  
agencies. In particular, Canada is paying small agencies actual costs retroactive to January  
2016 where they did not have a source of funds and therefore incurred costs and, since  
2018, Canada is paying actual costs on an ongoing basis until an alternative system is in  
place. Canada is encouraging agencies to contact ISC if they have unmet needs. Canada  
has increased the available funding in the 2018 Budget. Canada cannot reimburse for costs  
not actually incurred. Canada is willing to provide retroactive salary and benefit funding so  
that staff can be retroactively compensated in line with their provincial counterparts. Canada  
also confirmed small agencies could claim their deficits in a retroactive claim. Canada has  
paid approximately $24 million in retroactive payments even before the expiration of the  
deadline to submit retroactive claims. This is close to the funding reduction calculated to  
have occurred from the downward adjustment. Canada has also provided funding to pay  
claims for small agencies at actual costs.  
[512] Canada submits that the Caring Society is now seeking an order for retroactive  
expenditures small agencies could have made but did not. The Tribunal’s order to  
retroactively reimburse small agencies based on actual costs cannot be interpreted in a  
manner that would result in reimbursement of expenses not actually incurred.  
[513] Canada asserts that its interpretation of actual costs and reimbursements is  
consistent with the Directive on Transfer Payments issued under section 7(1) of the  
Financial Administration Act that indicates that the total amount of contributions is not to  
exceed the amount of eligible expenditures actually incurred. This is distinguishable from  
Canada’s retroactive funding of staff wages and benefits as the staff performed their  
functions during the relevant period and would have been compensated at a higher rate had  
Canada’s discriminatory conduct not occurred.  
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[514] Small agencies have subsequently been able to expand their services based on  
Canada’s funding of actual costs.  
[515] Canada submits that the Caring Society’s request is for an extension of the Tribunal’s  
orders beyond compensation for monies spent to now cover compensation for  
discrimination and general damages. Those remedies go beyond the scope of section  
53(2)(a) of the CHRA and beyond the Tribunal’s statutory powers.  
XIII. Small Agencies Analysis  
[516] The Tribunal set out its initial reasoning in the letter-decision. As promised, the  
Tribunal is now providing more detailed reasons.  
[517] The Caring Society seeks an order that Canada reimburse small FNCFS Agencies  
(serving fewer than 800 eligible children) for any funding reduction related to Canada’s  
application of downward adjustments based on population thresholds in its operations  
formula for core funding, retroactive to January 26, 2016, where those amounts have not  
yet been reimbursed pursuant to the Tribunal’s February 1, 2018 Order (2018 CHRT 4).  
[518] Canada submits that the requested additional order for non-incurred expenses is in  
effect a request for compensation and general damages for small FNCFS Agencies  
downward scaling.  
[519] The Tribunal’s February 1, 2018 order was to “provide funding on actual costs [to]  
small First Nations agencies, to be reimbursed retroactive to January 26, 2016”. The Panel  
agrees with the Caring Society that the goal of the orders was to ensure proper data  
collection and to be responsive to the real needs of First Nations children.  
[520] This is why the Panel ordered at Schedule B, amended paragraph 421 that:  
pursuant to Section 53 (2) (a) of the CHRA, Canada to cease its  
discriminatory funding practice of not fully funding the small first nations  
agencies’ costs. In order to ensure proper data collection and to be responsive  
to the real needs of first nations children, the Panel orders Canada to provide  
funding on actual costs small first nations agencies, to be reimbursed  
retroactive to January 26, 2016 within 15 business days after receipt of  
documentation of expenses. FNCFS agencies must submit documentation of  
 
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expenses for retroactive payments to Canada no later than March 31, 2019.  
This order complements the order above.  
[521] The order is meant to bring small agencies onto equal footing to other agencies and  
to have all their actual costs paid so that First Nations children are not adversely impacted  
by the lack of resources available to small First Nations agencies.  
[522] Furthermore, Canada was ordered to cease its practice of not funding actual needs  
of children, otherwise referred to as downward scaling, and develop an appropriate funding  
methodology that reflects actual needs of the children served by small First Nations  
agencies. Also, the Panel did not exclude small agencies from its actual costs orders.  
[523] Therefore, the Panel confirms small agencies should receive actual costs funding for  
all their operations including funding for the costs for administration and governance,  
prevention, intake/investigation, and legal services at their actual cost. The Panel clarifies  
this is already covered under the 2018 CHRT 4 orders for FNCFS small agencies (see  
paras. 247-252; 411 as amended in Schedule B) that Canada confirmed it is implementing.  
[524] Canada submits it revised its policies to provide actual cost funding to smaller  
agencies. In particular, Canada is paying small agencies actual costs retroactive to January  
2016 where they did not have a source of funds and therefore incurred costs and, since  
2018, Canada is paying actual costs on an ongoing basis until an alternative system is in  
place. Canada is encouraging agencies to contact ISC if they have unmet needs. Canada  
has increased the available funding in the 2018 Budget. Canada cannot reimburse for costs  
not actually incurred. Canada is willing to provide retroactive salary and benefit funding so  
that staff can be retroactively compensated in line with their provincial counterparts. Canada  
also confirmed small agencies could claim their deficits in a retroactive claim. Canada has  
paid approximately $24 million in retroactive payments even before the expiration of the  
deadline to submit retroactive claims. According to Canada, this is close to the funding  
reduction calculated to have occurred from the downward adjustment. Canada argues it has  
also provided funding to pay claims for small agencies at actual costs.  
[525] In the event that Canada’s practice does not cover all actual costs of small First  
Nations agencies to offer services that respond to the real needs of the children they serve,  
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the Panel clarifies that actual costs for administration and governance, prevention,  
intake/investigation, and legal services should be funded by Canada at actual costs. If these  
costs were not reimbursed at actual costs, the small agencies should claim these costs and  
seek reimbursement from Canada. If the small agencies went into deficit/debt and/or had to  
reallocate prevention or operation funds to offer the required services to children as a result  
of downward scaling, the funds ought to be reimbursed by Canada. If the funds do not fall  
in the above categories and have not been incurred, they likely fall under another subsection  
of the CHRA such as section 53(2)(d) which was not argued as part of this motion. The  
subsection is reproduced below:  
(d) that the person compensate the victim for any or all additional costs of  
obtaining alternative goods, services, facilities or accommodation and for any  
expenses incurred by the victim as a result of the discriminatory practice;  
[526] Canada submits that the Caring Society is now seeking an order for retroactive  
expenditures small agencies could have made but did not. The Tribunal’s order to  
retroactively reimburse small agencies based on actual costs cannot be interpreted in a  
manner that would result in reimbursement of expenses not actually incurred.  
[527] Therefore, the Panel agrees with Canada on this part that non-incurred expenses  
are a form of compensation and this did not form part of the 2018 CHRT 4 retroactive actual  
costs orders. The Tribunal’s order to fund small agencies at actual costs retroactive to  
January 26, 2016 did not include the Caring Society’s additional request.  
[528] While the Panel believes it is within the scope of the claim, such arguments on  
compensation and general damages were not advanced by the Caring Society. No other  
order will be made on this request as part of this ruling.  
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XIV. Proposal to Parties and Retention of Jurisdiction  
[529] The Panel retains jurisdiction on all its previous orders including the clarification  
orders in this ruling and will revisit its retention of jurisdiction as the Panel sees fit in light of  
the upcoming evolution of this case or until all the outstanding issues including long-term  
relief have been resolved by the parties or ruled upon by the Panel. This does not affect the  
Panel’s retention of jurisdiction on other issues in this case.  
[530] As part of its retained jurisdiction, the Panel has in the past encouraged the parties  
to seek clarifications or modifications of the orders from the Tribunal (2018 CHRT 4, para.  
445). The Panel continues to be willing to entertain requests for clerical corrections to the  
orders or amendments to the orders the parties agree are in the best interests of children,  
as the parties and Panel did with the amendments 2017 CHRT 35 brought to the orders in  
2017 CHRT 14.  
[531] The Panel is aware of public announcements that the parties have recently entered  
into negotiations to settle outstanding matters, including those at issue in this decision. In  
the absence of submissions on these discussions, the Panel has not in any way considered  
them in providing its reasons, in particular as it issued the letter-decision prior to the  
negotiations commencing. That said, the Panel is happy to support the negotiations as it  
can. It occurs to the Panel that the parties may, for example, wish to suspend or modify the  
timelines set out in the orders for the duration of, or as a result of, their negotiations. The  
Panel is open to any submissions any of the litigants might make on this issue, in particular  
if they have already discussed it with the other parties and have reached a consensus.  
 
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XV. Order  
[532] Pursuant to section 53(2) of the CHRA the Tribunal orders Canada to:  
A. Fund all FNCFS Agencies including small agencies and/or First Nations at actual  
costs for the purchase of capital assets that support the delivery of FNCFS to  
children on-reserve including in Ontario and in the Yukon and advise the FNCFS  
Agencies and First Nations in writing within 30 days of this order advising them on  
how to access this Capital asset funding. Canada will post this information on the  
ISC website.  
B. For the construction of capital assets, the Tribunal orders Canada to fund the actual  
costs of projects that support the delivery of FNCFS to children on-reserve  
including in Ontario and in the Yukon that are ready to proceed advising them in  
writing on how to access the capital assets funding within 30 days of this order.  
Canada shall post this information on the ISC website.  
C. The Tribunal orders Canada in consultation with the CCCW, to provide funding for  
FNCFS Agencies and First Nations to conduct capital needs and feasibility studies  
regarding the purchase and/or construction of capital assets that support the  
delivery of FNCFS services on-reserve. This also includes studies for First Nations  
that also operate under the Federal FNCFS Program off-reserve such as Ontario.  
D. Fund all FNCFS Agencies including small agencies and/or First Nations at actual  
costs for the purchase of capital assets that support the delivery of Jordan’s  
Principle services to children on-reserve including in Ontario and in the Yukon and  
advise the FNCFS Agencies and First Nations in writing within 30 days of this order  
advising them on how to access this Capital asset funding. Canada shall post this  
information on the ISC website.  
E. For the construction of capital assets, the Tribunal orders Canada to fund the actual  
costs of projects that support the delivery of Jordan’s Principle services to children  
on-reserve including in Ontario and in the Yukon for First Nations and FNCFS  
Agencies that are ready to proceed advising them in writing on how to access the  
capital assets funding within 30 days of this order. Canada shall post this  
information on the ISC website.  
F. The Tribunal orders Canada in consultation with the CCCW, to provide funding for  
FNCFS Agencies and First Nations to conduct capital needs and feasibility studies  
regarding the purchase and/or construction of capital assets that support the  
delivery of Jordan’s Principle on-reserve and in the Yukon and off-reserve where  
applicable under Jordan’s Principle.  
G. The Tribunal orders Canada in consultation with the COO and the NAN, to provide  
funding for First Nations and FNCFS Agencies to conduct capital needs and  
feasibility studies regarding the purchase and/or construction of capital assets that  
 
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support the delivery of Jordan’s Principle on-reserve and off-reserve, where  
applicable under Jordan’s Principle in Ontario.  
H. Fund actuals costs for Band Representatives and prevention services on-reserve  
within 30 days of this order and advise the First Nations in writing.  
I. Consult with COO and the NAN, advise in writing and provide funding for Ontario  
First Nations to conduct feasibility studies and needs-assessments for the purchase  
and/or construction of capital assets that support the delivery of Band  
Representatives and prevention services on-reserve and off-reserve when  
applicable under the Federal Program in Ontario within 30 days of this order.  
Canada shall post this information on the ISC website.  
J. The above orders recognize First Nations inherent rights to self-government and  
that this Tribunal cannot force First Nations that are not a party to these  
proceedings to do anything. The above orders recognize that complex processes  
must be followed in order to be ready to proceed to build on reserve and that this  
cannot be done unilaterally by FNCFS Agencies, Canada or by order of this  
Tribunal. Consequently, the purchase and construction orders above only include  
projects that are ready to proceed.  
Signed by  
Sophie Marchildon  
Panel Chairperson  
Edward P. Lustig  
Tribunal Member  
Ottawa, Ontario  
November 16, 2021  
Canadian Human Rights Tribunal  
Parties of Record  
Tribunal File: T1340/7008  
Style of Cause: First Nations Child & Family Caring Society of Canada et al. v. Attorney  
General of Canada (representing the Minister of Indigenous and Northern Affairs Canada)  
Ruling of the Tribunal Dated: November 16, 2021  
Motion dealt with in writing without the appearances of the parties  
Written representation by:  
David Taylor and Sarah Clarke, counsel for the First Nations Child and Family Caring  
Society of Canada, the Complainant  
Stuart Wuttke and Thomas Milne, counsel for Assembly of First Nations, the Complainant  
Brian Smith and Jessica Walsh, counsel for the Canadian Human Rights Commission  
Robert Frater, Q.C., Jonathan Tarlton and Max Binnie, counsel for the Respondent  
Maggie Wente and Sinéad Dearman counsel for the Chiefs of Ontario, Interested Party  
Julian Falconer and Molly Churchill, counsel for the Nishnawbe Aski Nation, Interested  
Party  
Schedule A  
Annex to Ruling 2021 CHRT 41  
Amendments to the Orders on the Consent of the Parties  
1. Context  
[533] On December 13, 2021 a letter was filed at the Tribunal by some of the parties and  
agreed to by all parties requesting an extension of the December 16, 2021 deadlines  
ordered in 2021 CHRT 41. On December 15, 2021, the Tribunal issued its direction and  
granted the request extending the timelines in the Tribunal’s major capital orders (2021  
CHRT 41) to January 14, 2022 given the parties were engaged in facilitated settlement  
discussions throughout the fall.  
[534] As explained in the December 13, 2021 letter, the Caring Society, the AFN, Canada,  
COO and NAN engaged in negotiations in November and December 2021 to reach an  
agreement-in-principle on outstanding matters before the Tribunal, including with respect to  
major capital. The parties submit that as was reported in the media earlier this month, such  
an agreement-in-principle was reached on December 31, 2021.  
[535] A proposal for amendments to the Tribunal’s November 16, 2021 Order (2021 CHRT  
41) was agreed-to as part of the discussions leading to the agreement-in-principle.  
[536] On January 14, 2022, the Caring Society filed a notice of motion to vary on consent  
of all the parties in these proceedings with a number of proposed amendments to the 2021  
CHRT 41 ruling which are reproduced below. The parties agree the amendments would  
resolve the dispute on the letter-decision which was followed by the detailed reasons  
included in 2021 CHRT 41 ruling. The parties advise this agreement will resolve Canada’s  
application for judicial review filed before the Federal Court on September 27, 2021 (Federal  
Court File No. T-1477-21).  
[537] Of note, a similar process was already used in the past in two other rulings (2017  
CHRT 14 and 2018 CHRT 4) and was successful. It is an expeditious way to resolve  
contentious matters in the best interest of the First Nations children who will not have to wait  
for years before the matter is resolved. This also is inline with the objective of the CHRA to  
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resolve matters expeditiously and in the public interest. This reasoning led to the Panel’s  
proposal at paragraphs 530-531. Section 53(2) of the Canadian Human Rights Act, Rules  
1(6), 3(1) and 3(2) of the Tribunal’s Rules of Procedure (Proceedings prior to July 11, 2021),  
the Tribunal’s implied jurisdiction to control its own processes and the Tribunal’s continued  
jurisdiction and approach in this case all support the Tribunal’s power to make the  
amendments.  
[538] Upon consideration, the Panel finds the proposed amendments to be reasonable and  
that they do not change the spirit or substance of the ruling. Moreover, the Panel values the  
work done by the parties who have expertise and/or knowledge who have negotiated and/or  
agreed to the details of these amendments. Therefore, the Panel agrees with the proposed  
amendments and modifies its 2021 CHRT 41 ruling below.  
[539] The Panel hopes that Canada’s discretion included at paragraph L of the  
amendments will never be used to perpetuate discrimination.  
[540] These amendments do not modify any other rulings or orders in this case.  
[541] The Panel continues to retain jurisdiction on all its rulings and orders to ensure that  
they are effectively implemented and that systemic discrimination is eliminated.  
[542] The Panel thanks all parties for their work.  
2. Amendment  
[543] The amendments to the Orders at paragraph 532 and as repeated throughout the  
decision are below. For clarity, the below amendments supersede the text of the original  
decision. The original text in paragraph 532 and as repeated throughout the decision has  
not been changed to reflect the below amendment.  
3. Amended Order  
[544] Paragraph 532 is amended. Pursuant to section 53(2) of the CHRA the Tribunal  
orders Canada to:  
A. For FNCFS Agencies, including small agencies, and/or First Nations, fund the full  
cost of the purchase of capital assets that are needed to support the delivery of  
FNCFS to First Nations children, youth and families on-reserve including in Ontario  
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and in Yukon that are underway or that the FNCFS Agency or First Nation advises  
are ready to proceed as per paragraphs 191 and 192 (e.g., has relevant First  
Nations approvals and for which feasibility and design work is complete). Within 15  
days of this amended order, Canada will advise FNCFS Agencies and First Nations  
in writing on how to access this capital assets funding, and Canada will post this  
information on the ISC website within 30 days.  
B. For the construction of capital assets by FNCFS Agencies and First Nations, fund  
the full cost of projects that are needed to support the delivery of FNCFS to First  
Nations children, youth and families on-reserve including in Ontario and in Yukon  
that are underway or that the FNCFS Agency or First Nation advises are ready to  
proceed as per paragraphs 191 and 192 (e.g., has relevant First Nations approvals  
and for which feasibility and design work is complete). Within 15 days of this  
amended order, Canada will advise FNCFS Agencies and First Nations in writing  
on how to access the capital assets funding, and Canada shall post this information  
on the ISC website within 30 days.  
C. In consultation with the Parties, provide funding for FNCFS Agencies and First  
Nations to conduct capital needs and feasibility studies regarding the purchase  
and/or construction of capital assets that support the delivery of FNCFS to First  
Nations children, youth and families on-reserve, including in Ontario, and in Yukon.  
This also includes studies for First Nations and FNCFS Agencies that serve  
children living off-reserve who are eligible under the FNCFS Program.  
D. Fund all First Nations or First Nations-authorized service providers for the full cost  
of the purchase of capital assets to provide safe, accessible, confidential and  
culturally- and age-appropriate spaces that are needed to support the delivery of  
Jordan’s Principle services to First Nations children on-reserve including in Ontario  
and to First Nations children in the Northwest Territories and in Yukon that are  
underway or that the First Nation or First Nations-authorized service provider  
advises are ready to proceed as per paragraphs 191 and 192 (e.g., has relevant  
First Nations approvals and for which feasibility and design work is complete).  
Within 15 days of this amended order, advise First Nations, Jordan’s Principle  
service coordinators and FNCFS agencies in writing on how to access this capital  
asset funding, and Canada shall post this information on the ISC website within 30  
days.  
E. For the construction of capital assets, fund the full cost of projects to provide safe,  
accessible, confidential and culturally- and age-appropriate spaces that are needed  
to support the delivery of Jordan’s Principle services to First Nations children on-  
reserve, including in Ontario and to First Nations children in the Northwest  
Territories and in Yukon for First Nations or First Nations-authorized service  
providers where these projects are underway or the First Nation or First Nations-  
authorized service provider advises are ready to proceed as per paragraphs 191  
and 192 (e.g., has relevant First Nations approvals and for which feasibility and  
design work is complete). Within 15 days of this amended order, Canada shall  
advise First Nations, Jordan’s Principle service coordinators and FNCFS Agencies  
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in writing of how to access the capital assets funding, and Canada shall post this  
information on the ISC website within 30 days.  
F. In consultation with the Parties, provide funding for First Nations or First Nations-  
authorized service providers to conduct capital needs and feasibility studies  
regarding the purchase and/or construction of capital assets to provide safe,  
accessible, confidential and culturally- and age-appropriate spaces for the delivery  
of Jordan’s Principle services on-reserve, including in Ontario, in the Northwest  
Territories and in Yukon and off-reserve where these services are eligible under  
Jordan’s Principle.  
G. In consultation with the COO and the NAN, to provide funding for First Nations and  
First Nations authorized service providers in Ontario to conduct capital needs and  
feasibility studies regarding the purchase and/or construction of capital assets to  
provide safe, accessible, confidential and culturally and age-appropriate spaces for  
the delivery of Jordan’s Principle services.  
H. Fund First Nations in Ontario for the full cost of the purchase or construction of  
capital assets that are ready to proceed as per paragraphs 191 and 192 and that  
support the delivery of First Nations Representative services and prevention  
services related to child and family services to First Nations children, youth and  
families on-reserve consistent with paragraph M. Within 15 days of this amended  
order, Canada shall advise First Nations in Ontario in writing how to access this  
capital asset funding.  
I. In consultation with the COO and the NAN, provide funding for First Nations in  
Ontario to conduct feasibility studies and needs assessments for the purchase  
and/or construction of capital assets that support the delivery of First Nations  
Representative services and prevention services to First Nations children, youth  
and families on-reserve and off-reserve for the First Nations who operate under the  
FNCFS Program off-reserve in Ontario. Within 15 days of this amended order,  
Canada shall write to First Nations in Ontario to advise them how to access this  
funding for feasibility studies and needs assessments, and Canada shall post this  
information on the ISC website within 30 days.  
J. The above orders recognize First Nations inherent rights to self-government and  
that this Tribunal cannot force First Nations that are not a party to these  
proceedings to do anything. The above orders recognize that complex processes  
must be followed in order to be ready to proceed to build on reserve and that this  
cannot be done unilaterally by FNCFS Agencies, Canada or by order of this  
Tribunal. Consequently, the purchase and construction orders above only include  
projects that are ready to proceed.  
K. Canada’s review of capital projects for FNCFS Agencies or First Nations situated in  
remote areas will consider that some aspects of a project may need to be approved  
before full feasibility or design work is complete due to factors including, but not  
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limited to, seasonal access to the community (e.g., availability of an ice road during  
the winter months only).  
L. Where an FNCFS Agency or First Nation has advised Canada that a project is  
ready to proceed as per paragraphs 191 and 192 (e.g., has relevant First Nations  
approvals and for which feasibility and design work is complete) or has submitted a  
request for feasibility study funding, Canada will make a determination on full  
funding of the project or study within 30 business days (other than in exceptional  
circumstances where complexity related to the project’s design or the impact of  
local circumstances on its delivery, or other unforeseen circumstances, require  
additional time for Canada to consider the proposal). Where Canada’s position is  
that it will not fund the full cost of a project or feasibility study, that a project is not  
ready to proceed, or that it requires more than 30 business days to make a  
determination, Canada will advise the FNCFS Agency or First Nation in writing,  
clearly substantiating why the project is being delayed, deferred or is ineligible in  
whole or in part. In the case of incomplete or denied project proposals, Canada will  
provide the First Nation or FNCFS Agency a reasonable period of time to correct  
any deficiency.  
M. The scope of capital asset categories for the purposes of paragraphs 532(A) to (I)  
above and considerations related to Canada’s approvals process will be further  
elaborated in a guide to be developed by Canada and the parties within 45 days of  
the amended order. The creation of this guide will not delay funding for projects that  
are underway or that are ready to proceed as per paragraphs 191 and 192 (e.g.,  
have relevant First Nations approvals and for which feasibility and design work are  
complete) and shall not adversely affect First Nations and First Nations service  
providers from accessing funding for the full cost of purchasing or constructing  
major capital assets, or for conducting capital needs assessments and feasibility  
studies.  
N. Within 45 days of this amended order, Canada and the parties will develop and  
implement a joint review mechanism to provide First Nations involvement in both  
reviewing how Canada is applying the criteria for funding major capital projects  
under paragraphs 532(A) to (I) and to monitor the overall rollout of funds for such  
projects.  
O. The funding noted above will be provided based on an initial five-year commitment  
of $276.2M for service sites for FNCFS and Jordan’s Principle services, backed by  
a three-year, $93.5M contingency fund for major capital related to Jordan’s  
Principle group requests. For capital projects to support the delivery of First Nations  
Representative services in Ontario, funding will be provided based on an initial five-  
year commitment of $399M.  
P. Funding in excess of the initial commitments noted in paragraph 523(O) will be  
informed by the feasibility studies conducted pursuant to the orders in paragraphs  
532(C), (F) and (I), be provided based on the actual needs of First Nations children,  
youth and families, be consistent with substantive equality, and address data-driven  
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cost drivers such as inflation, population growth and poverty metrics. Canada’s  
funding of the full cost of major capital projects will also include any reasonable cost  
overruns (such as increased cost of materials, inflation, or job-site conditions  
differing from those contemplated in construction plans) resulting between the  
feasibility/design phase and construction, which will be further defined in the  
guidance documents for recipients.  
Q. For greater clarity, Canada to carry out the above in compliance with paragraphs  
422 and 424 of 2018 CHRT 4 (paragraphs containing orders relating to Indigenous  
Services Canada not reallocating funding).  
[545] The orders made above apply until such time as one of the options below occur:  
1. Nation (Indigenous)-to Nation (Canada) agreement respecting self-governance to  
provide its own child welfare services.  
2. Canada reaches an agreement that is Nation-specific even if the Nation is not yet  
providing its own child welfare services and the provisions for major capital in the  
agreement for child and family services or Jordan’s Principle are more  
advantageous for the Nation than the orders in this ruling.  
3. Long-term reform is completed in accordance with best practices recommended by  
the experts and the parties and interested parties, and funding for the purchase or  
construction of major capital assets is no longer based on discriminatory funding  
formulas or programs, including as set out in a Final Order by the Tribunal  
approving a Final Settlement Agreement signed by Canada and the Parties.  
4. This does not affect the Panel’s retention of jurisdiction on other issues and orders in  
this case.  
Signed by  
Sophie Marchildon  
Panel Chairperson  
Edward P. Lustig  
Tribunal Member  
Ottawa, Ontario  
January 18, 2022  


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